I didn’t say that, repeating yourself doesn’t make it true, you don’t read what I actually wrote, you put words in my mouth, you have the same arguments that go nowhere, and I’m no longer wasting any time on you.

Hi Eric! Bye Eric!

*waste of space*

1. a few black men are going to Brazil for either
sex vacations or a wife.
2. They are spending 3,000 dollars to enjoy this fantasy
3. Coming back to the states with either a Brazilian wife/girlfriend
4. Sexually transmitted diease
5. Likely gave it to their loved one Lady/wife

Do I care that adults are entering into a legal fiancial transaction though morally suspect NO !!!!!!
Would I go to Brazil to get indulge what I think is just some male fantasy at deference NO !!!!!
Do I give a rat’s ass about women indulging in the world’s oldest profession in a third- world country NO !!!!
Do I think that Cobb misreported the story to slant his particular or esscence bias about our so- called “edumcated” brothas ? YES !!!!!

For every negative story in this article, there are 10 postives the brotha who found his wife and intends to bring her back to the states, that happens too. Some Black American Men, who like Woody Harrelson, Sean Connerelly, Gordan Parks, Wesley Snipes (who started this generation’s obession’s with foriegn women) and Tiger Woods and thanks to Pharell and Snopp’s video in Rio “some” lyonside Black American Men are going to..

1. Brazil
2. Africa
3. Asia
4. Northern Europe
5. Middle East

Doing what men of other races (particularly white american men) are bringing back foriegn wives and blurring the lines of the Black Family. I don’t see the outrage when White Military Men or Computer geeks in Silcon Valley or Seatle bring back wives from Russia or Bosnia. Folks like you want to think that Black Folks are still special and we have that moral aura of morality that we won’t oppress our brothas and sistas in the third world. Lyonside put down the Bob Marley and Stevie Wonder albums we are human beings not special in any sort of moral way except some of us are oppresssing poor Brazilan Women in the world’s oldest profession.

Eric, WHERE on this thread did I ever comment about the Brazilian prostitute thing? I objected to your blanket statements specifically claiming all black women had a hate-on for black men. Do you think I’m multiple posters? Do me the BASIC courtesy of replying to what I wrote and what I wrote ONLY. Go post another diatribe to another poster as necessary. To do otherwise is LAZY.

>those Black Men who are going to the foriegn countries looking for wives now they have the money to procure a wife of their choice and that’s what the civil rights movement was about

*snicker* OK, wait, you claim you’re not sexist but you think that the US civil rights movement was intended to specifically allow black men to “procure” a wife of their choice? Like women are SHOES? To my knowledge, the US civil rights movement did not start and end with marriage or “procurement.” And it didn’t just pertain to men. THE HELL? So you think the purpose of the civil rights movement was, what, to allow for interracial marriage? Damn… there’s that nausea again.

You claim to be so educated, so please, enlighten me. I always thought the civil rights movement was about, oh I dunno, giving black Americans and other minorities (OMIG, they exist!) the same rights and civil liberties granted in the Constitution, as well as other human rights. The right to fair housing, fair employment opportunities, fair business practices. Voting rights. Fair treatment under the law. Fair educational oppportunities. And yes, freedom to marry (not appropriate) regardless of ethnic origin.

The rest of your post is the usual ignorant-and-wrong-and-so-not-worth-my-time diatribe. GET SOME THERAPY.

Also the people who should be concerned is not Black America but those Black Men who are going to the foriegn countries looking for wives now they have the money to procure a wife of their choice and that’s what the civil rights movement was about in case any of you forgot, freedom and the choice to be ignorant of a countrie’s poor and to be the “Bad American”. No one on these posts outside of me was concerned for the families of these men if they got..

1. Kidnapped
2. caught a diease
3. wives or girlfriends
4. children

So what If these women have no respect for these black men, as many of you ‘edumcated ” black women assert, then it will just a sexual thang between an American tourist trying to get a “piece of ass” for Cobb and you ladies to try to play the P.O.C. card is insulting to these men and women who really the money to live in an enterprise that is legal. What’s going is some of the talented tenth are going overseas to procure wives or sexual conquests and aren’t looking at the world as politcal struggle between our so- called brothas and sistas and ‘the man” but a minority of professional black american who have the means to indulge in their sexual fantasies and get a top- shelf girl becaue in America, a top shelf- american woman who are ‘dimes’ unless they …

1. Average a triple double in basketball
2. Named Pharell or Jigga
3. Denzel , Jamie, Terrence
4. Plays in MLB, NFL
5. are named Usher, Andre 3000 or Prince

A brotha just ’s going to play where he can get a ‘dime’ for the ebonically challenged a perfect 10 and Brazilian Women next to Black American Women are the closet to fine in the west your’e going to get a african- based women as far as body type.

“Wow Lyonside, so people who make Alice Wlaker, Debra Dickerson, Gloria Steinem and Tammy Bruce about Black Men and then claim they were just being intellectuals”

I’m not the one screaming oppression from all men, you’re the one screaming oppression from all women. Again, READ WHAT I WROTE. You claim to want to debate, but you’re claiming I said things I didn’t say… dude, learn to debate.

Um, NO, I never said that, and I specifically said that 1) I didn’t know Dickerson, 2) I’m not a Walker devotee. This is the first time you mention Steinem, and I have no idea who Tammy Bruce is.. Are you SURE you were talking to me?

“1. 70 % of black fathers are not in the homes of black children
And that’s supposed to be a GOOD thing - the lack of positive male role models for both male and female children? Go ahead, show me one study where that’s a positive… 70% of all black women have children by, what, cloning?

“2. Most church members are Black Women
Ah, but how many are pastors?

“3. 75% of all college graduates are Black Women
OK, whatever… How this factors is how again?

“4. Most of the new leadership coming up are Black / Biracial Women
Proof?

“5. Society is promoting Black Women in IR realtionships in popular culture
I don’t think PROMOTION is the right word for it… and again, using popculture as your basis for reality (which you’ve been doing since post #1) is a mistake.

“6. Black Women have intellectual clout to write books on BM
You are hung up on “intellectual” women, you misuse the term regularly, and you never use it in a positive sense … is your ideal woman with an 8th grade education then?

“7. Black Men are being called America’s untouchables in jobs etc…
BY WHO? Whatever man, even if true, how is this a woman’s fault?

“To oppress someone you have to be in their lives constantly and use that power over them, Lyonside is your …

BULL. Power comes in many forms, including absence.

>1. boyfriend/husband black

HAH! Proof you’re not reading what I wrote. Did I or Did I NOT say that my husband (!) is PR, i.e Puerto Rican?

>2. father
Um, lessee… I’m a black/white biracial woman… my mom is white… what in the name of heaven could my father possibly be? *does math with a calculator lest Lyonside be seen as a horrible female intellectual* Could it be… black? Why, yes, yes, it could! *sarcasm ends here, I promise*

And he’s in my life, thank you very much.

I’m telling you, a brick frickin wall.

1. 70 % of black fathers are not in the homes of black children
2. Most church members are Black Women
3. 75% of all college graduates are Black Women
4. Most of the new leadership coming up are Black / Biracial Women
5. Society is promoting Black Women in IR realtionships in popular culture
6. Black Women have intellectual clout to write books on BM
7. Black Men are being called America’s untouchables in jobs etc…

To oppress someone you have to be in their lives constantly and use that power over them, Lyonside is your …

1. boyfriend/husband black
2. father

The only thing Black Women have over many Black American Men is sexism which is a legitimate issue, because rappers are in popular culture and do lace their tirades on Black Women but perosnally, I think it is on all women in general. I read where this Black Feminist hit the nail on the head when it came to black relationships, Black Americans are at a crossroads in their realtionships because a great many Black Men want patriarchy when it never existed in our realtionships due to Jim Crow and slavery black men and black women always had to work together during the industrial age. Now in an era where union jobs like Longshormen, working in a car plant could give you a middle- class lifestyle no longer exist, Men who did not want to continue their education but wanted to get married and provide for their children are in a catch -22 situation.

She unlike many black intellectuals got it right that Black Men could afford that type of deference because they put food on the table and provided for their families. Today with the schism between the sexes, Cobb’s article hit’s home because many of these men want a world that does not exist anymore with advance education being the key to uplift, and the Women’s movement “some” black men want what their fathers, and grandfathers had, and in lieu of not getting that deference they are going to Brazil or other foiegn countries to seek women who in their view are “old fashioned”. While I may not agree with them on that point, I can understand their wants and needs as men. You can call me a sexist all you like, but it still does not change that paradigm.

Whatever, man, you just did a classic backtrack…
“I did not rip Interacial Relationships I criticized those couples who would put their own angst on Black Men,”

Um, 5 posts back you did exactly that by claiming that white feminazis were encouraging black women to hate black men. Dude, that’s NOT debate, that’s gross generalization. Learn the freaking difference. All I did was CALL you on it.

“We live in a racist, sexist, homopobic society.”

OMIG, we finally agree on something. Too bad your previous statements indicate that you are entrenched firmly in the first 2 categories.

“We are debating how I live as a Afro- American Male, we are debating pop culture and politics, and in my view, the goal is to make my points crystal clear with passion and belief.”

No, we’re not debating how you LIVE. I have no idea how you LIVE. What we’re debating is your comments and your response to the criticism that you claim is so vital to debate.

“Just like Ludacris, 50, sexists like those brothas who went to Brazil when you make your comments in the public sphere, you should expect some opposition.”

Who is this “YOU” you’re talking about? ‘Cause there’s a difference between opposition and hateful blanket statements. Then you have the nerve to try to scold me by claiming I can’t handle “opposition” or I’m not a grown-up? Unbelievable.

“I will apologize If I went intellectually overboard”

IF? Ah, the classic non-apology practiced by politicians everywhere. You did offend many of us, and not on an “intellectual” level either. There’s nothing intellectual about name-calling, blanket assumptions, and gender hate. You also fail to back your “opinions” (in the loosest form of the word) with anything more than “ALL black women” statements and unsubstantiated slams on women in general.

“I love the power of the word and open debate”
Great - learn to debate with the sanity shown in your most recent post and then we’ll talk.

I still believe your earlier comments boil down to yet another paraphrase: “I love womenkind, it’s women I can’t stand.”**

**original quote, Lucy, Charles M. Schultz ” I love humanity, it’s people I can’t stand.”

1. The messiah complex
2. only who whites choose can be ‘black leaders’
3. Whenever one black person screws up it reflects on 38 million of us
4. Engenders unrealistic guilt trips for sins I am not responsible for.

If the majority society wants me to feel guilty because “some” black men”

1. Don’t love black women
2. Committ more crimes than everyone else
3. Abandons their children/family
4. Act a fool on shows like “Flava of love”

Then Afro- Americans and the rest of America can “toss off’ because the sins OR mistakes I make are my sins and I will live with as a “Man” because that’s how my mother and grandmother raised me to…

1. Respect people who respect you
2. Be courteous
3. always help the elderly, sick, and children
4. Treat all women with dignity
5. Respect yourself

We are debating how I live as a Afro- American Male, we are debating pop culture and politics, and in my view, the goal is to make my points crystal clear with passion and belief. I tend to think in the gender wars “some” Afro- American women get away with dishonsety in debates on the gender and try to make Black Men the scapegoat for all that is wrong, when there are historical factors and women like Teri Mc Millian who has weighed in on Black Males in her books and articles from Vibe to esscence magazine. So as far as I am concerned when someone like Debra Dickerson makes anti- black male comments like she did on MMW she and other black , biracial and majority women are fair game. Just like Ludacris, 50, sexists like those brothas who went to Brazil when you make your comments in the public sphere, you should expect some opposition.

I will apologize If I went intellectually overboard with some of my comments and offended many of the women on the board. I love the power of the word and open debate, and frankly many of these people I have quoted are grown- ups they should be able to handle opposition to their ideas just like I have. I don’t mind you ripping my ideas that’s fine we are airing what we feel, but when you make comments you should be able to back them up and hopefully I do.

Peace

eric