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(thanks to Kimberly for this!) It’s been almost a year since Vincent Vaughn, a five-year MBA major at Hampton University, shaved off his dreadlocks. He said his new look helped him land a summer internship with Ernst & Young.
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(Thanks to Phil C for this!) A MediaCorp spokesman told The New Paper in an e-mail statement that viewers here will not be able to catch the upcoming edition because it ‘gives prominence to racial issues and racial sensitivities by dividing the contestan
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black men’s sex vacations in Brazil… an escape from the pressures exerted by a white society that sees them only through the lens of pathology, and from gold-digging sisters who only measure them by the size of their wallets…
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Bruce Gordon (who by the way sits on CBS’s board, but I’m sure that in no way shapes his opinion) declares that Survivor is not offensive, and instead we should care more about the absence of African Americans on Sunday morning news shows
Ann wrote:
Cheers to MediaCorp of Singapore for deciding not to air “Survivor: The Race Wars!” Burnett, Jeffie and all the gang at CBS Survivor do not care for media ratings; they just want to keep the enmity and race-hatred going. They are not interested in improving racial relations; they only want to cause racial strife. Their ratings suck, their show is a joke and it is anything but “reality”.
Stick to your guns MediaCorp. You are doing the right decision.
And as for Burnie, Jeffie and all the gang at “Survivor”, here’s a “survivor reality show test” for all of you:
Get locked into a ten-by-ten foot enclosure out in Bonneville Salt Flats, with only a full water canteen, a 16 ounce bag of trailmix, with all of you wearing tank tops and shorts. Your mission:
Unlock the door to the enclosure, leave it at HIGH NOON, with all of you walking in the midday sun to the nearest town. Butthe objective is to reach the nearest town in 12 hours or less, with no help from ANYONE. Let’s see how long any of you will last before the water runs out, before the trailmix runs out, before the sun burns you up to a crisp, and most importantly, before you all tear each other to pieces trying to figure out which one of you dummies signed all of you up for this stunt.
Survivor of the fittest alright.
May the best man win!
Posted 14 Sep 2006 at 11:40 am ¶
Ann wrote:
“Even though we made a lot of progress as far as social norms, I still think dreads or a ‘fro willmake it more difficult to be viewed as an applicant that fits the mold”, the Cheasapeake, VA., native said. “Your hair has nothing to do with your intelligence, but there are preconceptions that people may have about you.”
“Fits the mold”. Whose mold? White run America’s image of what a black person should do with their natural attributes?
And as far as braids go, that particular hairstyle has been around for between 5 to 6 thousand years. And so has the “Afro” which is as natural a black person can be in the way of wearing their hair.
So, I see. If I go to a white-run or non-black run company, I am supposed to put a damn perm on my hair because of some weak-minded person’s preconceptions are of me? I am supposed to be ashamed of the God-given type of hair I have because no other race on Earth has it, and some lower-lifeform minded people cannot accept what I have naturally (my braids/Afro), as a part of my body?
What’s next?
“Hey, you! Black person! Yes,you! Stop wearing that dark skin you are in! You should know that once upon a time we would torture and kill you just because you were walking around in the skin you are! And what’s more, we’re not satisfied that you have a unique type and texture of hair! No! That is not enough! While you’re at it, get rid of those full lips! That flat nose! Those ample thighs! And for goodness sakes, get rid of that full, rounded bottom (It’s just so beautiful, it’s blinding us!)
Sheesh!
Posted 14 Sep 2006 at 12:39 pm ¶
dcase wrote:
I had previously heard about Dr. Cobb’s article about black men and Brazilian tourism on NPR. The author of the commentary highlights several important points that trouble me.
First, I am personally familiar with this phenomenon in that several people I went to college often brag about their sexual dalliances in Rio and Salvador and I dated a fellow Brazilian grad student and she told me that this was a serious problem where she was from. The fact that you have so many black men going for sex with prostitutes in a country with a rampant AIDS problem is problematic and downright dangerous but my dismay grows at their stated reasons, “freedom from oppressive society and gold digging black women.” Well, as the author points out, they become members of the oppressive regime down there. Additionally, it strikes me as odd that they find black women here gold-diggers then seek out prostitutes.
Moreover, they seem to seek the “exotic-looking” and “subservient” young women of Brazil. This sounds like the same type of fetish that pushes white businessmen to go to Thailand and Vietnam. Really they seek the variety of racially ambiguous phenotypes women display there and other Latin American countries. I believe that this behavior illustrates how deep the colorist fantasies, exacerbated by bling-bling hip hop videos,shows, and the like, run among black (and other) males. This is not good.
Posted 14 Sep 2006 at 1:06 pm ¶
Ann wrote:
The so-called men of Dr. Cobbs’s article conveniently forget how those young women came about the ambiguous looks that they have.
They lie to themselves the fact that these women are so light because of the millions of rapes down against black women in that part of the world for centuries. And they also lie to themselves that these young have to turn to a life of prostitution to survive. And not being real men, they would rather travel to a country whose history they have not learned about, give nothing of a damn about the present condition Brazil is in,not to mention not even knowing the language.
For all these “men” know the young women speaking to them are probably saying in Portuguese: “You stupid, base, carnal, sick pig of a man. Yeah, I may have to sell myself for money, but look at you. You run from the women of your race who have had your back all these centuries, you pathetic creature. You run down here using us because you do not have the guts to take care of your families and communities back home in America, the way a real man should. Instead you come down here and take back more than “mental Kodak memories”: STDS, penicillin-resistant gonorrhea and syphillis, HPV, not to mention, HIV-AIDS. I am sure your wives and girlfriends will thank you from the bottom of their hearts for how you are treating us, and them.”
Well, what can you expect? Some men are just so weak-minded. And since these black men live in the good ‘ol USA, they have done a great, bang-up job of internalizing all the garbage this country has indoctrinated them with:
Treat women like footstools, and if the ones around you will not submit to being subodinated by you, then go to another country and find women who are so poor, so down and out, they will have to do whatever they can to survive.
But, then these black men had a real good teacher.
Used to be the white man was the original “Ugly American”.
Now black men are trying to “out-white” the white man in how they treat women.
Just because you live in America’s cesspool, does not mean you have to wallow in the filth she churns out. Just because of the lifestyle of someone else who came before, does not mean you have to live your life as if it should be flushed down the toilet.
Posted 14 Sep 2006 at 2:17 pm ¶
gatamala wrote:
dcase - YESSSS!!!!!! I was thinking about the AIDS problem too!!
How vile is it that such disgusting, sexist, racist behavior is so universal!!!
About a year ago, I came across this nasty website by an American man comparing the subservience of “beautiful Brazilian women” to the bitterness of “feminist” American women. The assumptions made and beliefs held about Brazilian and American women were so stereotypical and pathetic - pretty much a rehashing of Madonna/whore & emasculating feminazi bitch. At the bottom of the page the author posted two pictures of asses hanging out of lowrise jeans: one light brown & thin, the other white and big. The caption said, “Brazilian or American, You Decide.”
Considering the massive population of street children in Rio & Sao Paolo, I shudder to think how many of these men want & get girls.
I’ve heard disturbing stories from men who have traveled to SE Asia, India and Cuba. I was very, very naive about American men’s proclivity to prostitution (ladies…it is much, much more common than you would ever believe). The desire to have sex w/ underage girls shocked the hell out of me. About 2 years ago, I saw a documentary (PBS) discussing prostitution - i.e. child rape in Cambodia. They have a Ministry dedicated to sexual exploitation. The Minister said that the sex tourism industry is the no. 1 source of income for the nation. The program focused on the sex tourism in light of Cambodia’s history under the Khmer Rouge. The majority of the men come from the US, others from Australia & Germany. Saudi men travel to India.
I no longer have my blinders on regarding this industry and specifically our role in it. I know that people will go to Brazil because it’s Brazil, but I can’t help but wonder about the men I know who have gone there “on vacation”.
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Much respect to Dr. Cobb for not being afraid to expose our dirty laundry & telling it like it is!!!! That’s my alma mater!!!! c/o ‘98
Posted 14 Sep 2006 at 2:37 pm ¶
gatamala wrote:
Ann
can I quote you?
Posted 14 Sep 2006 at 2:46 pm ¶
Ann wrote:
gatamala.
“Ann can I quote you?” You mean quote me at another website or just here? If so to the two-part question I am asking, you have my permission to quote me.
Posted 14 Sep 2006 at 3:05 pm ¶
Ann wrote:
gatamala.
Oh, I forgot. Let me know where (website,blog, etc.) where you are quoting me. Thanks.
Posted 14 Sep 2006 at 7:10 pm ¶
eric daniels wrote:
Gatamala, this is the typical esscence article about the “Black Man doing wrong again crap”. Frankly, most men go to these countries just like Black Women were booking trips to Jamaica to “get their groove back”. I think what is happening is a minority of Black American Men, and so what these men want to be catered too by women in these countries. Now I wouldn’t have sex in a third -world country with a 0.67 AIDS rate and where crime runs so rampant that these girls could be helping their dope- dealing boyfriends in a scam of sorts. But I understand why some black men (with the finiancial needs) can go down there and feel like men.
After being bashed for everything they do wrong, and being criticized by Black Women like you (I thought you were in an IR ) and the majority society, some of these brothas are sick and tired of being made to bear the guilt trips of black women in IR, white folks, and the west of the population called “The American People” want to be treated like a man and from the article I read many of these men also meet legitmate Brazilian women who they fall in love with and cater to their need. I have no problems with some Black Men being “old skol” and want their woman to cook, clean, and maintain the home while he takes care of his family. But that should be talked about early in the realtionship, you can’t turn a professional woman into a housewife and then get angry and call Black Women “gold digging hussies” brothas.
The only party in my view that is being victimized by these men are the wives, girlfriends, and children If he brings back an STD in his pursuit of carnal pleasures in Rio with some of the most beautiful women in the world. This reminds me of the DL hustle you sistas tried to put upon 18 million black men.
Posted 14 Sep 2006 at 8:12 pm ¶
Adrianna wrote:
I find it insulting that the Hampton business school say things like braids and other ethnic hairstyles are unatural for the corporate world. Unatural? It’s racist and degrading for pople of color who refused to permed their hair. That is why i’d rather have my own business that be subjugated to corparate people.
The article about the African american men going to Brazil seeking sex and to take off the pressure from society in America is disturbing I shuddered while reading it. these men are no better that the white older gentleman going to South east Asia to find young Prostitute. It’s sexist to want women to be subserviant to you, A real man is comfortable with himself and dosen’t need a subserviant female catering tois every need.
Posted 15 Sep 2006 at 12:13 am ¶
Adrianna wrote:
http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/6755/53/
statistics on the sex industry in Brazil. Just one more reason to loathe these men.
Posted 15 Sep 2006 at 12:28 am ¶
Adrianna wrote:
I’m so sick of certain black men blaming the reason of going looking outside of the country or your color for a women on black women. The need stop lumping all black women in such categories like ( golddiggers, loud, obnoxious) We are more than this. We are individuals!!! When these men choose the women they choose it is their choice not because of a black women, so the blame game need to stop.
Posted 15 Sep 2006 at 12:45 am ¶
gatamala wrote:
Eric (& everyone else)… Essence wrote an article about an article. LISTEN TO THE AUTHOR ON NPR. Pay particular attention to Dr. Cobb’s discussion on the “grinnin’” black men used to have to do when they shined shoes for nickels. Guys, don’t get it twisted…THEY DON’T LIKE YOU anymore than “we” liked serving massa. We all know that the happy slave is a blatant lie.
“Blame it on Rio” http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5643506
Dr. Cobb speaks on the underlying pathology that leads to these excursions. The tragedy of oppression is that it does not teach compassion, but how to oppress.
Make no mistake about it, this is not a vacation fling a la Stella. I have nothing against consenting adults who happen to have sex while abroad. This is a SEX VACATION. These men procure women through intermediaries (as happens in SE Asia). Many of these women have to be paid (either in kind w/ food, lodging, clothes or with cash). How does having a prostitute cater to his every needs make a male feel like a man? Is any man that requires only domestic and sexual subservience in a young wife really a man? Is that the only way for a black man, any man to manifest his manhood? Taking advantage of someone’s poverty for their sexual needs? That’s a sick, twisted notion of manhood. Do you not believe that that kind of behavior would reinforce negative stereotypes about American Black Men?
The “beauty” is a loaded “compliment”. THE FETISHIZATION OF THESE (BLACK, MULTIRACIAL) WOMEN IS A PRODUCT OF THE RACIAL OPPRESSION THAT YOU RAIL AGAINST!!!!!!! UGGH!! It reminds me of white men’s lust for “mulattas” in New Orleans. You’ve been on MMW long enough to know better there have been many posts about the fetishization of Asian women. Just because these women aren’t Asian, doesn’t mean that creepy fetishization is not going on. These men are not taking a break from oppression, they are packing it in a suitcase next to the condoms & Viagra.
**I’ve noted those digs embedded in your post.
Even your “sympathetic” phrases are laden with sexism. Turning a “professional woman into a housewife”. That’s the first time I’ve seen that phrase used in the context of a professional woman. Wouldn’t marrying a poor prostitute violate that axiom? Or is it ok b/c this golddigger can get by on less gold?
Posted 15 Sep 2006 at 8:01 am ¶
gatamala wrote:
Essence article (his travel diary)
http://www.essence.com/essence/lifestyle/globetrippin/0,16109,1227036,00.html
Posted 15 Sep 2006 at 8:10 am ¶
gatamala wrote:
Sorry to post links separately:
http://www.maynardije.org/columns/dickprince/060907_prince/
The author’s response to FAQs
http://www.jelanicobb.com/portfolio/rioresponse.html
Essence comments:
http://www.essence.com/essence/showallmessages/0,18603,1227036,00.html
Posted 15 Sep 2006 at 8:18 am ¶
bertie wrote:
Why can’t it be just a vacation fling a la stella? Is it because black males are doing–and thus it must have a special ominous and sinister spin put to it? (sorta like closeted homesexuals being around for centuries without any outcry but as soon as it becomes associated with black males it’s renamed and given pandemic status as the “down low phenomena”).
I don’t condone black men getting prostitutes, but I don’t really see the difference between women using locals in Jamaica to satisfy there sexual “getting my groove back” fantasies. Your still using folks for your own sexual gratification. Money doesn’t have to change hands for it to exploitation. And to be honest, if you thing black women weren’t tricking off on their “groove back” excursions your kidding yourself. Look at Terry McMillan–you don’t think she used her U.S. citizen status, her wealth, etc., to her advantage in getting her boy toy from Jamaica.
Posted 15 Sep 2006 at 9:50 am ¶
gatamala wrote:
I don’t disagree w/ you bertie. I have no problem w/ flings as I said. I made a very clear distinction b/t that and what Dr. Cobb wrote about. Click the NPR link & listen to him.
Your right about DL. I do think its applicability to Black men has been blown out of proportion (unlike ex gov McGreevey).
Terry McMillan is sick & a damn fool to boot. We see how that turned out…I wouldn’t say that he was on the DL
Posted 15 Sep 2006 at 10:58 am ¶
Adrianna wrote:
From the comments It seems that the animosity betwen African American men and women is going to increase. Even Sader is that some of the women commenting said that other African American women stand to learn something from these women on how to keep a mam happy and tied to her. Good Lord!! We need a feminist movement for these women if we thinks that our live has to be about keeping some dude happy and stoping him from venturing out, then that ’s pathetic. Black women should strive for someone who’ll respect and love them. Anyway that’s what I’m want !
Posted 15 Sep 2006 at 7:12 pm ¶
Ann wrote:
gatamala.
“:D Ann, I was bing facetious!!! If I did re you I would say “Ann @…”
Okay. No problem. The reason why I thought you wanted to “quote” me is that I have had many blog owners ask me to use my comments at their blogs. One blog owner even asked me to let her post an “essay” that I wrote. Well, at the time I considered it a verrrrrrrrrrrry long post. But, she was pleased with what I had to say, and she asked me if she could post my essay and also send it to other blog owners. I have also had blog owners ask me to do a commentary on some subjects as well.
I guess I have “juice” with some readers out there, and I take that as a compliment.
So, shall I take it as a compliment that you would like to copy/emulate me? If so, then I am flattered. Keep in mind I am still trying to learn my way around the computer terms.
It took me awhile to learn what LMAO and LOL meant.
I’ve still a ways to go.
Cheers!
Posted 15 Sep 2006 at 7:59 pm ¶
eric daniels wrote:
Gatamala, I am beyond caring what the majority society thinks about me as a black man. And frankly, what do you people want? I know what Black Women and the majority society wants…
1. To disapear
2. emasculated
3. shut up
4. be happy any woman would want our ‘inferior asses’
Why should Black Men bear the blame for every male’s sexual perversion,attitude, and sexism and violence, I am frankly tired of being ‘guilt tripped’ by folks because a minority of Black Men with obvious self- esteem issues are the poster boys for modern sexism. (Gatamala, I quess you white or non- black boyfriend or husband is the perfect gentleman) Ann, you know why there is a war between Black American Men and Women, because instead of blaming those men who have done wrong you ladies lump 18 million Brothas and now there is a backlash.
After 30 years of hearing black women and the majority society blame us for everything from Global Warming to World War 3, now for opressing Brazilian Women we are fighting back, so do I care about what is happening with regards to the Third World yes, but like I said before, the only victims are the families because the girls are perfroming a service for money.
Posted 16 Sep 2006 at 1:55 am ¶
Ann wrote:
eric daniels.
“Ann, you know why there is a war between Black American Men and Women, because instead of blaming those men who have done wrong you ladies lump 18 million Brothas and now there is a backlash.”
I know what I said in my post about SOME men who go down to Brazil and have sex with young women who are so poor that this is one of many ways they feel they must support themselves.
LEARN HOW TO READ!
I called out on the carpet SOME/THOSE black men who are guilty of being just as sexist and racist as the rapist white men who came before them. Just because SOME black men live in this cesspool of a country with all of it’s sick perversions does not mean that they should do like all those purveyors of filth who came before them. Just because the white man has done wrong does not mean that SOME black men should be just as weak and perverse. As I stated in my comment above, these young girls did not get their “exotic, ambiguous” looks from out of the thin air.
No thanks to white men through the centuries raping, bastardizing, mongrelizing, destroying, debasing, debauching and destroying the morality of black and non-white women the world over, you cannot go anywhere he has set foot and find any non-white race that can call itself “pure”. The legacy of filth that he has left behind, and still spreads around the world is not something that a man with morals would grab hold of as if it was going out of style. THOSE/SOME black men who go down to Brazil to lay up with these girls are no better than the white man who ran that part of the world into the ground, just as they have the world over.
Oh,I see. So, becuase the white man does wrong, because the white man made his “worst, his best”, that means that SOME black men are supposed to follow suit? If the white man runs off a cliff, does that mean that SOME black men are supposed to run right off the cliff with him, to their deaths?
No, eric, I’m not buying it. You go peddle that nonsense somewhere else. I live in America just like every other black American out there, and I have not succombed to the Great Whore’s siren call of worshipping filth and abombinations. If SOME black men want to be like the white man so bad, there is not much anyone can do about it, except stay as far away as they can from the purveyor’s of filth and lascivious living, no matter what race or color that person comes wrapped up in.
“After 30 years of hearing black women and the majority society blame us for everything from Global Warming to World War 3, now for oppressing Brazilian Women we are fighting back, so do I care about what is happening with regards to the Third World yes, but like said before, the only victims are the families because the girls are performing a service for money.”
Yes, the girls are selling their bodies for money. Prostitution. The oldest profession in the world.
And as for your stating that black women are blaming black men for global warming to WW III, then I will speak for myself. I have not gone around to anyone, white, black, non-white, non-black,male or female, degrading or castigating black men. I have been as supportive as they come to the men in my family, my father, my brothers and my uncles. I have not castigated or degraded any black men in my life. I have not used and abandoned, taken advantage of, spoke hatefully of, or lied on, ANY black men in my life. I have done whatever I could to help black men in and outof my family whether it was to helpa male relative to get farther in life, or to teach a black man how to read. I speak for myself in that I have not gone out of my way to demean black men.
If anything, I have seen SOME black men go out of their way to tear down and destroy black women, many of whom had that black man’s back.
But, when I see black men acting, oh,excuseme, SOME black men acting as if the only way they can live in this world isto join the oppressor like that is what a MAN is supposed to emulate, then yes, it angers and sickens me. Especially men who take rampant, drug-resistant diseases home to their un-susspecting wives and girlfriends—diseases which can be passed on the unborn children.
I have seen alot of tearing down of black women not jus by fools like Snoppy Dog, Ludaycris and many of their ilk, and SOME black men who are not up there with them, go out of their way in tearing down black women just for the hell of it for the LAST 30 YEARS! And for what??! Just to curry favor with the white man? To see who can destroy the black woman the most? Just because the fool across the street is running out in front of a speeding Mack truck, does not mean the person across the street should do it.
Yeah, I have heard SOME black women disparage black men, but, whoo-oo, silly me, I just never could lower myself that way. I guess I jst be one of those weird black women: a black woman who will say and do something that uplifts and helps BLACK MEN and BLACK WOMEN. If I have nothing good to say, I keep it to myself.
But, no Eric, not this time. No matter what anyone may or may not have done to these black men, nothing warrants their being so cruel and selfish to the women back in America. And as for blame?
I lay blame at the feet of THOSE/SOME black men who are guilty of doing wrong. I know the difference between a man who walks in this world and prevails not to be of it. Just as I know the difference between a man who wallows in all the filth that this human race can offer.
Lump18 million black men all together for what SOME are doing? Never have, and never will. But, I will definately will call out ANY man who believes the lie “Because it is done by others, then that is supposed to mean that I, another man, should do just as much wrong.” No. Somebody has to stand against wrong, even if they feel that they are the voice crying in the wilderness.
“…we are fighting back…” O, by LUMPING ALL BLACK WOMEN together, those you have known and those you do not know and have not met? Wow, even I have had enough sense not to lump all black men together, no matter what SOME have/are doing. I guess I must not be your “average”black woman. Yeah, it pisses me off that SOME blackmen are doing what these men are doing. But, silly me,I guess since I am not a “bitch”, “ho”, “skank”, or “gold-digger’, I guess I must be one of the unusual black women, you know,one of those black women who believes in carrying her own weight, who believes in being a responsible human being, who just cannot bring herself to use a man up.
Wow? Silly me? I guess I need a real talking to? Hmmmpf?
You’ve probably heard SOME black men calla black woman out of her name just for the hell of it, have you not, Eric? And if you have, what did you do? Just stand there and say nothing? Hmm? And I am talking about a black woman wo is not castigating or downing any black man. Black women have been torn apart by black men for the last 30 years because , what, they want to what, go to school/stay in school (oops, mustn’t do that, that’s “acting white”), what, not have sex before marriage (those who want to wait until marriage) and risk being called “frigid and cold” beacuase they wont to wait and not have sex, what those black women who want to have a partner in life who wants more out of life, I guess a man who wants to go beyond school and prepare himself for being able to take care of a family, what a black woman who does not want to have children before marriage, because that is what happens when you have sex, and if the black woman does not give it up and risj possible pregnancy, she is what, a “bitch with an attitude” because she has moral standards.
And if she does “give it up”, she is then labeled a ho, and cast off like so much garbage. Oh, but I am sorry, I guess you haven’t heard. Black women have been torn apart these past 30 years. Silly me, I thought everyone was paying attention to the sad condition ALL black people are in in AmeriKKKa.
So, don’t tellme that THESE/SOME men cannot do better, don’t tell me that they cannot do right. Yeah, it ain’t easy living in the she-wolf’s country, but that does not excuse SOME black men trying to “out-white” the white man in debauchery and lowered morals.
Just because the grab-bags of filth have been lain out on the table for all who are weak enough to grab them up and destroy their morals and integrity, does not mean that a person, MAN OR WOMAN, has to take the filth home with them.
People have a choice.
And sadly, SOME people would rather make a wrong choice, instead of a right choice.
Posted 16 Sep 2006 at 5:30 pm ¶
gatamala wrote:
wow…eric. I guess you can’t see the forest for the trees.
Nowhere in my posts did I blame black men for this or all of the ills in the world.
Since when did, “everyone else is doing it” become an excuse?? No. Black men aren’t by far the only (or even a majority) of the sex tourists out there. If you took the time to read my first post, you would know that I made no such assertion.
What I want to know is how you have the gall to complain about emasculation while excusing this behavior because the “girls are performing a service for money.” That’s disgusting. Your argument boils down to, “you emasculating traitors won’t let a man be a man so I have to reassert my manhood by paying a poor, hungry girl/woman for sex.”
You have managed to morph my post into a condmenation of black men. I’ve somehow become the Black Woman that is in league w/ the man to tear you down. You accuse black women “like me” (?) of making sweeping condemnations — of tearing down 18 million black men b/c of 1 bad relationship. What then, are you doing?
Your defense of some men taking advantage of poverty — of OTHER BLACK PEOPLE — is disgusting. I don’t expect much from “everyone else”, but I do expect more from black men. I have seen white men hanging around young Dominican girls in DR. Would you excuse this behavior b/c they need a break from emasculating white women??? Or is that different???
Posted 16 Sep 2006 at 7:03 pm ¶
Merq wrote:
What I find disturbing is how all of you complain about the supposed animosity between black men & women in this country, yet each harsh generalization you make is strengthening it.
cliched, but true.
Posted 17 Sep 2006 at 5:43 pm ¶
Adrianna wrote:
Carmen And Jen will have plenty of material for their september 19 show.
Posted 18 Sep 2006 at 3:03 am ¶
eric daniels wrote:
Well gatamala, all I said that this issue of Black American Men going to Brazil to get their freak on is a non- starter with me, because
1. I can’t afford to go there
2. I would never purchase women for sexual pleasure
3. These black men are over 18
4. It’s their money and they can spend it anyway they choose.
And yes, I am criticizing Black Women again, because I feel that in the last 30 years there has been a split in Black Male/Black Female realationships and I feel personally there is some hypocrisy amongst many Black Female intellectualls, writers, and everyday women. We as have almost nothing in common but contempt for each other, and there is a breach betwen the sexes. Some Black Men want an old- fashioned black woman that does not exist anymore (I don’t think she ever has) and the privledges that men of other races accept as their birthright patriachy. But we as African- Americans never had that chance of family development.
Posted 18 Sep 2006 at 11:41 am ¶
Lyonside wrote:
Oh Eric, please, you’re insulting the many African-American straight couples I know who have TONS in common. Dont look to magazines, TV sitcoms, or music videos for how the genders relate. Don’t look at Oprah either.
Are you really telling us that every black woman you know hates black men, and every black man you know wants a madonna/whore (i.e. madonna in the kitchen/as a parent, whore in the bedroom patriarchal stereotype?) Birthright patriarchy?? Heck, most sane/evolved MEN I know of any ethnicity don’t want or expect that anymore. And most WOMEN I know realize that there are good men out there…
Posted 18 Sep 2006 at 1:31 pm ¶
eric daniels wrote:
Don’t blame me for popular culture. I just observe people interacting. And yes If you read Esscence Magazine or Ebony and their comments lines you can see the utter contempt black men and women have for each other. Do you these posters are teenagers? both sides want power at the expenese of the other, that is human nature. I frankly think that black women would have respected us more If we laid down and died like men during slavery instead of accepting the rapes, family breakups etc.. Would you have any respect for that man of any race who allowed their women this abuse, I think not and that’s the crux of the problem you can’t aviod history Lyonside.
Posted 18 Sep 2006 at 3:15 pm ¶
site admin wrote:
Ahem… I feel like this is a good time/place to encourage you call to call in to our live Addicted to Race show tomorrow night at 10 pm Eastern.
We’re going to be discussing exactly this topic of gender wars: is it for real or is it just media hype? Details here:
http://www.addictedtorace.com/?p=75
CVK
Posted 18 Sep 2006 at 3:18 pm ¶
eric daniels wrote:
Gatamala, I do have a comic strip I am developing and a character called “Stan the White Man” and his Black Female lover Jezebel who foil the mythical “black man” at every moment he tries to make something of himself lolol (just joking maybe) everything “blackman” tries to do something postive the dasatrdly duo gets together and foil his plans at..
1. A brazilan sex vacation
2. romance
3. gets him thrown in jail
4. homelesss
While like the greek gods of old conspiring to make “blackman’s life a living hell catch all the highjinks at edan comics coming to an alternative store near you !!!!
Posted 18 Sep 2006 at 3:24 pm ¶
Adrianna wrote:
Eric have you been hurt by black women. So much hatred, so much Buls$&t. you are one bitter person. Please evolve and stop blaming the action of a few on every black women. stop generalizing it’s unevolved. Get over it .
Posted 19 Sep 2006 at 3:08 am ¶
Lyonside wrote:
Eric: Pop culture is NOT reality. I LIVE my life, and that is what I base my opinions on… INFORMED by history, but not ruled by it or anyone’s interpretation of it. I don’t read magazines to tell me what men and women supposedly think about each other - I use the real world instead. If you choose to be influenced by magazines only out to sell cars, makeup, and clothes, then so be it.
Am I a teenager? No, I’m just shy of 30, married, and a mom-to-be. I’m a college-educated environmental biologist. I’m black/white biracial and dont’ think that all black men are saints OR devils. My family has enough examples of flawed men (and women) who are neither devil nor angels, but human beings. If anything, its an immature “teenage” POV that rules those magazines you’re basing your opinions on. (Apologies to all the teens who DON’T believe the hype.)
You continue to claim that all black women hate black men, try to back it up with a lopsided view of “history,” and then use that as an excuse to hate on all black women? That sounds like a lot of self-hate and years of therapy in the making … that’s our mothers, our fathers, you’re talking about. Sheesh…
This is how the real history lies… black women and men in this country have continued to try to keep their families together, even when the situations were dire. NOT all slave conditions were the same, NOT all families were the same, NOT all black families were the same after slavery, and NOT all black families are the same TODAY. I don’t know one black woman who happens to have been wronged by a black man who goes back to SLAVERY to express her anger. No, she focuses on the person who did her wrong. The same goes for men wronged by women. Women wronged by women. Men wronged by men. It’s what being in a grown-up relationship means - sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn’t, sometimes you can blame one party, sometimes you can’t and both parties made mistakes or realized that it just didn’t work out.
You claim that not standing up to a white man has caused black women to hate black men? What about the countless wives who DIDN’T want their husbands to do something because they wanted them to COME HOME that night? Because they still needed him to be there at work the next morning? Because they had another child on the way who would need their daddy? Because they loved their spouse enough to NOT wish him into an impossible situation where there was no positive outcome?
You also seem fixated on the idea that rape was the only way that white people hurt black people. Please - my readings say that the daily small humiliations were just as scarring and dehumanizing as the violent abuses that, yes, many suffered (men and women). The economic oppression alone was just as damaging to the black family as any physical assault. I’m talking about the lack of meaningful jobs; seperate-and-unequal schools, where schools were even permitted; (il)legal land grabs and manipulations of the system: sharecropping, charging more for goods sold, paying less for crops, literacy tests for voting, etc.
What about the men who traveled and sent money home because that was the better way to make money as a black man? What about those who moved their families north for better jobs and a little more freedom (I say little, because de facto segregation was the norm in the northern states as well)?
Did some men not step up to the plate and be the most responsible? Yup. Some women too (what, no woman has ever left her family?). But I think you’d find that with EVERY group… add the pressures, the low self-esteem, the constant barrage of insults, the feeling of entrapment many felt, to one’s daily life, and it’s not excusable, but understandable.
I’d keep going, but I think I’m talking to a brick wall.
Posted 19 Sep 2006 at 8:55 am ¶
eric daniels wrote:
Lyonside, you are agreeing with the gist of my arguments about history black men and black women have a history of dysfuntional realtionships due to the concept of family realtions. Do I hate black women No, but I refuse to let black women like the majority society get away with the sense of “phony morality” from the elites to average sista. Also I am not a fan of black men who tell me that I am wrong in criticizing black women and in private e-mails tell me they support my view. I hate sexism, racism, homophopia, in all types, but I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME BLACK MEN WANT AN OLD- FASHIONED BLACK WOMEN. lyonside, Ann, adriana, Gatamala what’s so wrong with those thoughts.
Posted 19 Sep 2006 at 4:20 pm ¶
Adrianna wrote:
What the hell is a OLD FASHION Black women ? I don’t get it !! You have this idea in your mind of what it is, and you are projecting it onto black women. You need to stop and examine your thoughts!
Posted 19 Sep 2006 at 9:55 pm ¶
eric daniels wrote:
What’s an old fashioned black woman Adriana, to men I have talked to, they want a woman prior to 1970 (their words) when at least there was a sort of a unity between the average black couples in the community. Before Black Femanazis amongst academics who love to critque Black Men on our attitudes and making us the poster boys for sexism in America. Well at least you sistas are making some major coin.
Posted 20 Sep 2006 at 12:07 am ¶
Lyonside wrote:
Eric:
You write as if you’re living in a misogynist and misandronist (because you’re doing men a disservice too) worldview - I really can’t figure out what you want and your last post means nothing to me. It’s so far from the reality I know that it makes no sense.
And no, if you read my ENTIRE post, I am so not agreeing with your points. I’m trying to show that there is and was a LOT going on within the black community that this horrible Male Scapegoat/Female Harpy caricature that you’ve got on display here … There’s a lot of self hate going on here…
So do you KNOW any sane, well adjusted black men and women, or are they all “brotha” and “sista” haters?
Posted 20 Sep 2006 at 9:08 am ¶
eric daniels wrote:
Lyonside
I will mkae this perfectly clear I have no self- hatred issues, or sexist or misandronist attitudes. Your problem with me and black men who fight back against charges of sexism is that we are using the same lanuage educated Black Feminists like Alice Walker, bell Hooks and writers like Teri Mc Millian used for years to say that all Black Men were sexist, full of self- hate, and violent. Now it’s reversed against you and you don’t like it yourselves. Try being an educated non- sexist open- minded brotha before you got to college and the first words he hear is “why can’t you brothas do right” and then their litany of grievances against Black Males. So you sit there and take from BlackWomen like you and the Freakin worse hypocricy BW in mixed realtionships like Debra Dickerson also trying to lecture to us and bringing her baggage and bitterness at us even though they should be happy they found love, they still are being “Harpies’ and criticizing any brotha who chooses to date IR (doesn’t that sound hypocritical) but saying they did it because there were no brothas on their educational level or the old standby Black Male Sexism.
And not to be outdone, their white femanazi sponsors and White Men who are in mixed realtionships, criticizing Black Men because in their immortal words “I raised a child with my black wife because the father abandoned his child and he’s perfectly justified in criticizing Black Males to the average uneducated White Male SOB who loves to lecture Black Men on our behavior like I should be guilty because some BM ..
1. Robbed
2. Shot
3. Rape
4. Beat Up
5. Was nasty verbally
To them in their everyday lives I don’t care who did what, how, where, or when to you people because frankly, I am responsible for one person. Eric Daniels I treat Black Women equally who earn the right, by their actions and behaviors and I treat others the same way. I am tired of hearing all of those I described in this letter who feel they deserve respect just because of what they did and who they are, I have one question to ask the adminstrator, Jen and Carmen and the Black Women and their White and multiracial allies….
WHAT THE HELL DO YOU FROM US BLACK MEN !!!!!!
I would like to hear the answers.
Posted 20 Sep 2006 at 3:34 pm ¶
Lyonside wrote:
Dude, Eric, you’re, um, proving me right with all the vitriol.
First off, I’m not a “Angry Black Woman” or even a “Black Woman.” I’m a biracial black/white married bi woman who considers herself a person first, and anything else has to come after that… which is what I expect from everyone around me too. I’ve had my good and not-so-good relationships and I don’t think twice about the negative ones since I’m happy with the one I got.
Look again at who/what you’re referencing as “proof”:
1. Teri McMillan and Alice Walker (um, FICTION authors? And I honestly dont’ even READ their stuff much (except when Walker was required in school) - EVERY black woman you know must read their works as Gospel? PopLit is not being well read or educated …
2. Evidently EVERY black woman you know has a litany against “black brothas” and assumes you’re one of them? OK… again, that’s really NOT the world I live in. Maybe you should try meeting other people who are, you know, sane.
3. See, use Limbaugh buzzwords like “feminazi” and how can one NOT think you have some hatred and mysogeny going on? Can the buzzwords and the vitriol, and maybe you’d garner sympathy…
4. Who the hell is Debra Dickenson and why should I care? Wait, why should YOU care if all you really want to do is live your life? And if you give this rant to other women you meet, no WONDER you have issues. I can imagine a first date: “Oh, women are horrible, they dont’ appreciate me, they all think I’m *blah*blah*blah*, they all are outrageous bitches who do nothing but complain… but oh wait, you’re different.” You’ve set it up so that unless the other person wants to be a doormat, the minute they bring up one criticism or potential issue in the relationship, they are slammed as being just like ALL THE REST OF THEM.
5. Um, you know that Jen and Carmen aren’t…. you know… black, right? OK then… thanks for lumping everyone into your toxic mudpuddle of X-chromosomes there.
6. I feel like Freud here but, how is/was your relationship with your mother? sisters? cousins?
7. Thank you, you have disparaged every white woman in an IR, as well as evidently made this a black/white issue instead of the many types of IRs out there (for the record? in case you think I was raised by a white feminazi? My mother does not hate all black men, or even my father, despite them not having the type of relationship she wanted. I married a PR. My AA brother married a Filapino-American and they have 2 smart, sane sons.) GOD! Get out more!!
To quote/paraphrase Rolling Stone (re: NIN’s Trent Reznor), hearing your rant makes it seem as if your life is spent “sitting in a dark room, painted black, with the curtains drawn, and your eyes closed, saying, My it’s dark in here.”
Posted 21 Sep 2006 at 2:02 pm ¶
site admin wrote:
We’re not? :O
hehe… –CVK
Posted 21 Sep 2006 at 2:42 pm ¶
Ann wrote:
eric.
“WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WANT FROM US BLACKMEN?”
Well, for starters, be a MAN. Grow up and be a man. Whatever a woman has done to you in the past, is in the past. Get over it. And as to what happened in slavery, Reconstruction and Jim Crow/segregation, learn from it and deal with it. Look around you and see what you can do to better theconditions of the black people you know, and don’t know. Accept that black women have a right to be treated as women, not things, not pieces of furniture; and that goes for all women—black, white, Asian, Native American, and lo and behold!—Brazilian women!
The fact that you have to ask such a question speaks volumes about your psychological outlook on life.
I know what I expect of myself: To be a woman sublime; to be the best that I can be, to excel and accomplish what a woman ought to DO, and what a woman ought to BE.
-To never shit on, disgrace, spit on, and bring insult to all the black people who came before me, who suffered tremendous hells so that I might live the life abundant;
-To be the best that a woman can offer a man: never defiling my body with filth, abombinations and other manner of perversities;
-To treat my body with respect, even if no man will; to have children only in WEDLOCK/MATRIMONY because I care for those children’s future, well-being and legacy;
-To see ALL men in a positive light, no matter what any may have done to mein the past;
-To treat ALL men the way I would want them to treat me: not treat them as some walking life-support-system for a penis or wallet;
-To know, acknowledge and accept that there was a time when a black man would be torn apart for protecting his family, but, undersstanding that I would rather see him LIVE than be DESTROYED because of what some man had done to me (echoes of Lyonside); to keep to myself all the degradations that would have been done to me, so that I would have that man live with me as long as humanly possible;
-To believe that I can speak and do more than ALL the black people who came before me,and that I will never live my life as to make them ashamed of me. After all they have suffered through,for me to lay down, give up, and just die, inside and out, would be the greatest travesty I could do to their memory. They suffered through worst hells than I will ever know; I OWEthemthe dignity and respect to keep on, and not cry and wail for myself out of pity. For what I have lived in this world, pails in comparison to what they went through.
To always remember that I represent the black people in America, yeah, that’s right, I REPRESENT THE BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA for all those who came before me. And for me to just give up because life tries so hard to beat me down would make all those blsck people who came before me hang their heads in shame.
I do not, I will not let them down.
I OWE THEM! And I will continue to keep on excelling to prove myself worthy of their honor.
“Only the BLACK WOMAN can say “when and where I enter, in the quiet, undisputed dignity of my womanhood, without violence and without suing or special patronage, then and there the whole. . .race enters with me.”
Now, eric daniels, you think on what you can do to be worthy of all those black people, those black SURVIVORS, who came before you and what they lived through.
If you are not living your life worthy of their memory, then you have done more than let them down; you have let the young black people of today, and the future down.
They did not go through hell just to have black people lay down and give up, and give out. For black people to become a part of the filth, degradation, and abombinations that black survivors fought to overcome.
What can you do?
You already know the answer to that question.
The thing is, what are you going to do about it?
Posted 21 Sep 2006 at 4:35 pm ¶
Lyonside wrote:
Oh, Ann, I love the way you write! It’s kind of… open mike poetry.
Seriously, consider it sometime…
Posted 21 Sep 2006 at 5:56 pm ¶
eric daniels wrote:
Sorry but I don’t think Black People don’t owe each other anything but to be good beings and treat people as indivduals. I did not rip Interacial Relationships I criticized those couples who would put their own angst on Black Men, We live in a racist, sexist, homopobic society. To put that much pressure on Afro- Americans is frankly unrealistic, I choose not to have children as one human being because there was too much hate and violence to bring a child into this world. And hell empathically no I will not play that “you represent a legacy of people” that is unrealistic even on it’s face and it makes the majority society play games with Afro- Americans like ….
1. The messiah complex
2. only who whites choose can be ‘black leaders’
3. Whenever one black person screws up it reflects on 38 million of us
4. Engenders unrealistic guilt trips for sins I am not responsible for.
If the majority society wants me to feel guilty because “some” black men”
1. Don’t love black women
2. Committ more crimes than everyone else
3. Abandons their children/family
4. Act a fool on shows like “Flava of love”
Then Afro- Americans and the rest of America can “toss off’ because the sins OR mistakes I make are my sins and I will live with as a “Man” because that’s how my mother and grandmother raised me to…
1. Respect people who respect you
2. Be courteous
3. always help the elderly, sick, and children
4. Treat all women with dignity
5. Respect yourself
We are debating how I live as a Afro- American Male, we are debating pop culture and politics, and in my view, the goal is to make my points crystal clear with passion and belief. I tend to think in the gender wars “some” Afro- American women get away with dishonsety in debates on the gender and try to make Black Men the scapegoat for all that is wrong, when there are historical factors and women like Teri Mc Millian who has weighed in on Black Males in her books and articles from Vibe to esscence magazine. So as far as I am concerned when someone like Debra Dickerson makes anti- black male comments like she did on MMW she and other black , biracial and majority women are fair game. Just like Ludacris, 50, sexists like those brothas who went to Brazil when you make your comments in the public sphere, you should expect some opposition.
I will apologize If I went intellectually overboard with some of my comments and offended many of the women on the board. I love the power of the word and open debate, and frankly many of these people I have quoted are grown- ups they should be able to handle opposition to their ideas just like I have. I don’t mind you ripping my ideas that’s fine we are airing what we feel, but when you make comments you should be able to back them up and hopefully I do.
Peace
eric
Posted 21 Sep 2006 at 6:35 pm ¶
Lyonside wrote:
Eric,
Whatever, man, you just did a classic backtrack…
“I did not rip Interacial Relationships I criticized those couples who would put their own angst on Black Men,”
Um, 5 posts back you did exactly that by claiming that white feminazis were encouraging black women to hate black men. Dude, that’s NOT debate, that’s gross generalization. Learn the freaking difference. All I did was CALL you on it.
“We live in a racist, sexist, homopobic society.”
OMIG, we finally agree on something. Too bad your previous statements indicate that you are entrenched firmly in the first 2 categories.
“We are debating how I live as a Afro- American Male, we are debating pop culture and politics, and in my view, the goal is to make my points crystal clear with passion and belief.”
No, we’re not debating how you LIVE. I have no idea how you LIVE. What we’re debating is your comments and your response to the criticism that you claim is so vital to debate.
“Just like Ludacris, 50, sexists like those brothas who went to Brazil when you make your comments in the public sphere, you should expect some opposition.”
Who is this “YOU” you’re talking about? ‘Cause there’s a difference between opposition and hateful blanket statements. Then you have the nerve to try to scold me by claiming I can’t handle “opposition” or I’m not a grown-up? Unbelievable.
“I will apologize If I went intellectually overboard”
IF? Ah, the classic non-apology practiced by politicians everywhere. You did offend many of us, and not on an “intellectual” level either. There’s nothing intellectual about name-calling, blanket assumptions, and gender hate. You also fail to back your “opinions” (in the loosest form of the word) with anything more than “ALL black women” statements and unsubstantiated slams on women in general.
“I love the power of the word and open debate”
Great - learn to debate with the sanity shown in your most recent post and then we’ll talk.
I still believe your earlier comments boil down to yet another paraphrase: “I love womenkind, it’s women I can’t stand.”**
**original quote, Lucy, Charles M. Schultz ” I love humanity, it’s people I can’t stand.”
Posted 21 Sep 2006 at 7:56 pm ¶
Lyonside wrote:
Slight correction:
Should read, “Um, 5 posts back you did exactly that by claiming that white feminazis bitter about IRs were encouraging…”
Posted 22 Sep 2006 at 8:13 am ¶
eric daniels wrote:
Wow Lyonside, so people who make Alice Wlaker, Debra Dickerson, Gloria Steinem and Tammy Bruce about Black Men and then claim they were just being intellectuals but when on black guy does the same thing you call me hateful. Wow Lyonside that’s called sterotyping. and Debra Dickerson on this very site made the accuastion that Black Men are oppressing Black Women and encouraged Black Women to date IR not me. Answer this question and it is a legitmate one how can Black Men oppress Black Women as Dickerson or Black Females have insisted when….
1. 70 % of black fathers are not in the homes of black children
2. Most church members are Black Women
3. 75% of all college graduates are Black Women
4. Most of the new leadership coming up are Black / Biracial Women
5. Society is promoting Black Women in IR realtionships in popular culture
6. Black Women have intellectual clout to write books on BM
7. Black Men are being called America’s untouchables in jobs etc…
To oppress someone you have to be in their lives constantly and use that power over them, Lyonside is your …
1. boyfriend/husband black
2. father
The only thing Black Women have over many Black American Men is sexism which is a legitimate issue, because rappers are in popular culture and do lace their tirades on Black Women but perosnally, I think it is on all women in general. I read where this Black Feminist hit the nail on the head when it came to black relationships, Black Americans are at a crossroads in their realtionships because a great many Black Men want patriarchy when it never existed in our realtionships due to Jim Crow and slavery black men and black women always had to work together during the industrial age. Now in an era where union jobs like Longshormen, working in a car plant could give you a middle- class lifestyle no longer exist, Men who did not want to continue their education but wanted to get married and provide for their children are in a catch -22 situation.
She unlike many black intellectuals got it right that Black Men could afford that type of deference because they put food on the table and provided for their families. Today with the schism between the sexes, Cobb’s article hit’s home because many of these men want a world that does not exist anymore with advance education being the key to uplift, and the Women’s movement “some” black men want what their fathers, and grandfathers had, and in lieu of not getting that deference they are going to Brazil or other foiegn countries to seek women who in their view are “old fashioned”. While I may not agree with them on that point, I can understand their wants and needs as men. You can call me a sexist all you like, but it still does not change that paradigm.
Posted 22 Sep 2006 at 5:58 pm ¶
Lyonside wrote:
God, Eric, learn to read what I write:
“Wow Lyonside, so people who make Alice Wlaker, Debra Dickerson, Gloria Steinem and Tammy Bruce about Black Men and then claim they were just being intellectuals”
I’m not the one screaming oppression from all men, you’re the one screaming oppression from all women. Again, READ WHAT I WROTE. You claim to want to debate, but you’re claiming I said things I didn’t say… dude, learn to debate.
Um, NO, I never said that, and I specifically said that 1) I didn’t know Dickerson, 2) I’m not a Walker devotee. This is the first time you mention Steinem, and I have no idea who Tammy Bruce is.. Are you SURE you were talking to me?
“1. 70 % of black fathers are not in the homes of black children
And that’s supposed to be a GOOD thing - the lack of positive male role models for both male and female children? Go ahead, show me one study where that’s a positive… 70% of all black women have children by, what, cloning?
“2. Most church members are Black Women
Ah, but how many are pastors?
“3. 75% of all college graduates are Black Women
OK, whatever… How this factors is how again?
“4. Most of the new leadership coming up are Black / Biracial Women
Proof?
“5. Society is promoting Black Women in IR realtionships in popular culture
I don’t think PROMOTION is the right word for it… and again, using popculture as your basis for reality (which you’ve been doing since post #1) is a mistake.
“6. Black Women have intellectual clout to write books on BM
You are hung up on “intellectual” women, you misuse the term regularly, and you never use it in a positive sense … is your ideal woman with an 8th grade education then?
“7. Black Men are being called America’s untouchables in jobs etc…
BY WHO? Whatever man, even if true, how is this a woman’s fault?
“To oppress someone you have to be in their lives constantly and use that power over them, Lyonside is your …
BULL. Power comes in many forms, including absence.
>1. boyfriend/husband black
HAH! Proof you’re not reading what I wrote. Did I or Did I NOT say that my husband (!) is PR, i.e Puerto Rican?
>2. father
Um, lessee… I’m a black/white biracial woman… my mom is white… what in the name of heaven could my father possibly be? *does math with a calculator lest Lyonside be seen as a horrible female intellectual* Could it be… black? Why, yes, yes, it could! *sarcasm ends here, I promise*
And he’s in my life, thank you very much.
I’m telling you, a brick frickin wall.
Posted 22 Sep 2006 at 6:45 pm ¶
eric daniels wrote:
Lyonside, your problem is what many on the left likes to do, criticize any person who does not agree with the standard issue that these Black Men are opressing third- world women when that is not the case. I can understand the 12 yearold glue sniffers but many of these so- called victims of male opression are over the age of 18, and these Black Men who have the means to go to Brazil to have “sex tours’with the local women are exchanging monetary means as a way to have sexual pleasure so as the article asserts, these women are not navie about what’s going down, they want money for sex and are getting paid well, It’s condesending to assume that Brazilian Women who are plying the world’s oldest profession are stupid and are victims.
Also the people who should be concerned is not Black America but those Black Men who are going to the foriegn countries looking for wives now they have the money to procure a wife of their choice and that’s what the civil rights movement was about in case any of you forgot, freedom and the choice to be ignorant of a countrie’s poor and to be the “Bad American”. No one on these posts outside of me was concerned for the families of these men if they got..
1. Kidnapped
2. caught a diease
3. wives or girlfriends
4. children
So what If these women have no respect for these black men, as many of you ‘edumcated ” black women assert, then it will just a sexual thang between an American tourist trying to get a “piece of ass” for Cobb and you ladies to try to play the P.O.C. card is insulting to these men and women who really the money to live in an enterprise that is legal. What’s going is some of the talented tenth are going overseas to procure wives or sexual conquests and aren’t looking at the world as politcal struggle between our so- called brothas and sistas and ‘the man” but a minority of professional black american who have the means to indulge in their sexual fantasies and get a top- shelf girl becaue in America, a top shelf- american woman who are ‘dimes’ unless they …
1. Average a triple double in basketball
2. Named Pharell or Jigga
3. Denzel , Jamie, Terrence
4. Plays in MLB, NFL
5. are named Usher, Andre 3000 or Prince
A brotha just ’s going to play where he can get a ‘dime’ for the ebonically challenged a perfect 10 and Brazilian Women next to Black American Women are the closet to fine in the west your’e going to get a african- based women as far as body type.
Posted 25 Sep 2006 at 8:53 am ¶
Lyonside wrote:
>Lyonside, your problem is what many on the left likes to do, criticize any person who does not agree with the standard issue that these Black Men are opressing third- world women when that is not the case.
Eric, WHERE on this thread did I ever comment about the Brazilian prostitute thing? I objected to your blanket statements specifically claiming all black women had a hate-on for black men. Do you think I’m multiple posters? Do me the BASIC courtesy of replying to what I wrote and what I wrote ONLY. Go post another diatribe to another poster as necessary. To do otherwise is LAZY.
>those Black Men who are going to the foriegn countries looking for wives now they have the money to procure a wife of their choice and that’s what the civil rights movement was about
*snicker* OK, wait, you claim you’re not sexist but you think that the US civil rights movement was intended to specifically allow black men to “procure” a wife of their choice? Like women are SHOES? To my knowledge, the US civil rights movement did not start and end with marriage or “procurement.” And it didn’t just pertain to men. THE HELL? So you think the purpose of the civil rights movement was, what, to allow for interracial marriage? Damn… there’s that nausea again.
You claim to be so educated, so please, enlighten me. I always thought the civil rights movement was about, oh I dunno, giving black Americans and other minorities (OMIG, they exist!) the same rights and civil liberties granted in the Constitution, as well as other human rights. The right to fair housing, fair employment opportunities, fair business practices. Voting rights. Fair treatment under the law. Fair educational oppportunities. And yes, freedom to marry (not appropriate) regardless of ethnic origin.
The rest of your post is the usual ignorant-and-wrong-and-so-not-worth-my-time diatribe. GET SOME THERAPY.
Posted 25 Sep 2006 at 9:23 am ¶
eric daniels wrote:
So Teri Mc Millian, Bell Hooks and other Black female intellectual bashing of black american sexism (they just didn’t say a “some” or a few) in their view and in Alice Walker’s view it was all BLACK AMERICAN MEN (even those males in the womb) you are entertaining Lysonside defending the sistahood to the end. It still goes down like this..
1. a few black men are going to Brazil for either
sex vacations or a wife.
2. They are spending 3,000 dollars to enjoy this fantasy
3. Coming back to the states with either a Brazilian wife/girlfriend
4. Sexually transmitted diease
5. Likely gave it to their loved one Lady/wife
Do I care that adults are entering into a legal fiancial transaction though morally suspect NO !!!!!!
Would I go to Brazil to get indulge what I think is just some male fantasy at deference NO !!!!!
Do I give a rat’s ass about women indulging in the world’s oldest profession in a third- world country NO !!!!
Do I think that Cobb misreported the story to slant his particular or esscence bias about our so- called “edumcated” brothas ? YES !!!!!
For every negative story in this article, there are 10 postives the brotha who found his wife and intends to bring her back to the states, that happens too. Some Black American Men, who like Woody Harrelson, Sean Connerelly, Gordan Parks, Wesley Snipes (who started this generation’s obession’s with foriegn women) and Tiger Woods and thanks to Pharell and Snopp’s video in Rio “some” lyonside Black American Men are going to..
1. Brazil
2. Africa
3. Asia
4. Northern Europe
5. Middle East
Doing what men of other races (particularly white american men) are bringing back foriegn wives and blurring the lines of the Black Family. I don’t see the outrage when White Military Men or Computer geeks in Silcon Valley or Seatle bring back wives from Russia or Bosnia. Folks like you want to think that Black Folks are still special and we have that moral aura of morality that we won’t oppress our brothas and sistas in the third world. Lyonside put down the Bob Marley and Stevie Wonder albums we are human beings not special in any sort of moral way except some of us are oppresssing poor Brazilan Women in the world’s oldest profession.
Posted 25 Sep 2006 at 3:25 pm ¶
Lyonside wrote:
Second verse, same as the first.
I didn’t say that, repeating yourself doesn’t make it true, you don’t read what I actually wrote, you put words in my mouth, you have the same arguments that go nowhere, and I’m no longer wasting any time on you.
Hi Eric! Bye Eric!
*waste of space*
Posted 25 Sep 2006 at 5:03 pm ¶