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	<title>Comments on: Message to &#8220;mainstream&#8221; Jews: We don&#8217;t all look like Woody Allen or Barbara Streisand. GET OVER IT!</title>
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		<title>By: Adrianna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrianna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 00:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>H : 


I'm read it from a history book. It's called Women leaders in African history / David Sweetman, and this website http://www.royalty.nu/Africa/Ethiopia/index.html#books. Maybe the book is wrong, but that what i read. I'll do more reserach</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m read it from a history book. It&#8217;s called Women leaders in African history / David Sweetman, and this website <a href="http://www.royalty.nu/Africa/Ethiopia/index.html#books" rel="nofollow">http://www.royalty.nu/Africa/Ethiopia/index.html#books</a>. Maybe the book is wrong, but that what i read. I&#8217;ll do more reserach</p>
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		<title>By: Lyonside</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyonside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 21:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gatamala:

I figure, since the entire area of the Fertile Crescent east to Northern Africa and the Meditteranean west to Persia was such a crossroads of trade, in peace and wartime, that whether we're talking in "Biblical" times (i.e. 1500-1000 BCE) or anytime in the last 2000 years, it's almost impossible to say what people LOOKED like, especially since what little art survived was not usually intended to be a portrait, but rather an idealized version of someone important enouigh to have their image on a coin, a bust, a sculpture (the exception being some late Greek and Roman art, where the intent was to show a realistic face).

As far as European Jewish racism/bias, I'd say that 1) for a while, they were the most visible face of Judaism in the West (and really, stilll are) and 2) it may be a factor of being oppressed and isolated for centuries... i.e. keeping to one's own for fear of yet another pogrom or regional/local diaspora. As has been brought up around here before, being the target of one form of racism or discrimination does not mean that the targeted group is immune from doing the same.

I also think it may be an error to lump all European Jews (or any group) together. From what I've read, the traditions and lifestyle of, say, the Russian Jews would vary much from those in London, or the US, etc. and would vary from rural to city areas, etc. Yes, the core religious language and rituals would be the same, but the methods would change with the area and dominant culture in which the group is living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gatamala:</p>
<p>I figure, since the entire area of the Fertile Crescent east to Northern Africa and the Meditteranean west to Persia was such a crossroads of trade, in peace and wartime, that whether we&#8217;re talking in &#8220;Biblical&#8221; times (i.e. 1500-1000 BCE) or anytime in the last 2000 years, it&#8217;s almost impossible to say what people LOOKED like, especially since what little art survived was not usually intended to be a portrait, but rather an idealized version of someone important enouigh to have their image on a coin, a bust, a sculpture (the exception being some late Greek and Roman art, where the intent was to show a realistic face).</p>
<p>As far as European Jewish racism/bias, I&#8217;d say that 1) for a while, they were the most visible face of Judaism in the West (and really, stilll are) and 2) it may be a factor of being oppressed and isolated for centuries&#8230; i.e. keeping to one&#8217;s own for fear of yet another pogrom or regional/local diaspora. As has been brought up around here before, being the target of one form of racism or discrimination does not mean that the targeted group is immune from doing the same.</p>
<p>I also think it may be an error to lump all European Jews (or any group) together. From what I&#8217;ve read, the traditions and lifestyle of, say, the Russian Jews would vary much from those in London, or the US, etc. and would vary from rural to city areas, etc. Yes, the core religious language and rituals would be the same, but the methods would change with the area and dominant culture in which the group is living.</p>
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		<title>By: gatamala</title>
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		<dc:creator>gatamala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fyi 

There is still some debate as to the the Queen of Sheba's origins.  She may also have been from S. Arabia.  being these locations are separated by a narrow body of water there have to be ties</description>
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<p>There is still some debate as to the the Queen of Sheba&#8217;s origins.  She may also have been from S. Arabia.  being these locations are separated by a narrow body of water there have to be ties</p>
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		<title>By: gatamala</title>
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		<dc:creator>gatamala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shooooooot, how could a group of people that has been everywhere NOT look like everyone!!

it's not often that Jewish diversity is brought up in the U.S.  I discussed this with a Jewish friend (Israeli of Yemeni descent).  Her response was "racism".  Apparently there is a tendency for some Ashkenazim to look down on Sephardim, Mizrahim etc... in Israel (&#38; I suppose elsewhere).  It took awhile for the Falasha community to even be accepted as Jews.

I wonder to what extent that racism is internal or a function of European heritage??hmmmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shooooooot, how could a group of people that has been everywhere NOT look like everyone!!</p>
<p>it&#8217;s not often that Jewish diversity is brought up in the U.S.  I discussed this with a Jewish friend (Israeli of Yemeni descent).  Her response was &#8220;racism&#8221;.  Apparently there is a tendency for some Ashkenazim to look down on Sephardim, Mizrahim etc&#8230; in Israel (&amp; I suppose elsewhere).  It took awhile for the Falasha community to even be accepted as Jews.</p>
<p>I wonder to what extent that racism is internal or a function of European heritage??hmmmm</p>
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		<title>By: H</title>
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		<dc:creator>H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 06:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrianna-

Don't mean to be a smart aleck, but you should check out information about Ethiopia yourself.  The Solomon-Queen of Sheba story was a myth by Ethiopian royalty to pad their geneaology, similar to early British monarchs trying to connect their lineages to Brutus of Troy.  And "Ethiopia" has never been Jewish.  The Axumite Kingdom, the predecessor to Ethiopia, went from polytheistic to Christian.  The Beta Israel (or Falasha) were most likely Ethiopian Christians who "Judaized" (basically becoming so fundamentalist that they considered themselves Jewish).
 
H, Ethiopian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrianna-</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t mean to be a smart aleck, but you should check out information about Ethiopia yourself.  The Solomon-Queen of Sheba story was a myth by Ethiopian royalty to pad their geneaology, similar to early British monarchs trying to connect their lineages to Brutus of Troy.  And &#8220;Ethiopia&#8221; has never been Jewish.  The Axumite Kingdom, the predecessor to Ethiopia, went from polytheistic to Christian.  The Beta Israel (or Falasha) were most likely Ethiopian Christians who &#8220;Judaized&#8221; (basically becoming so fundamentalist that they considered themselves Jewish).</p>
<p>H, Ethiopian</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;"Obviously there are Jews of color."&lt;/i&gt;

This wasn't obvious to me, because when I think of Jewish people, I think of American Jews, and it is my totally unscientific observation that non-white American Jews (i.e. excluding mixed Jews with a white Jewish parent) are quite rare.

Then again, it wasn't until I read this post that I even thought to Google "Ethiopian Jew."  Learn something new every day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Obviously there are Jews of color.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>This wasn&#8217;t obvious to me, because when I think of Jewish people, I think of American Jews, and it is my totally unscientific observation that non-white American Jews (i.e. excluding mixed Jews with a white Jewish parent) are quite rare.</p>
<p>Then again, it wasn&#8217;t until I read this post that I even thought to Google &#8220;Ethiopian Jew.&#8221;  Learn something new every day!</p>
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		<title>By: Adrianna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrianna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the problem with that is that people don't learn enough about history, If they did they would know that king Solomon had a son with the Queen Of Sheba ,  King Menelek and that they converted to Judaism, so did Ethiopia, there is also stories of many Christians and Ethiopians banding together to stop the spread of Islam there. I think that African history is not as popular as European history that 's why people are suprised that  there Jews of color. Clearly the Author did not bother to read on the subject before submitting the article. It's a damn shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem with that is that people don&#8217;t learn enough about history, If they did they would know that king Solomon had a son with the Queen Of Sheba ,  King Menelek and that they converted to Judaism, so did Ethiopia, there is also stories of many Christians and Ethiopians banding together to stop the spread of Islam there. I think that African history is not as popular as European history that &#8217;s why people are suprised that  there Jews of color. Clearly the Author did not bother to read on the subject before submitting the article. It&#8217;s a damn shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Ilana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ilana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great article, putting forward a much-needed good point. But "white" Jews do not consider themselves so, they are actually Ashkenazic. A white Jew would be a white person who has converted to the Jewish religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great article, putting forward a much-needed good point. But &#8220;white&#8221; Jews do not consider themselves so, they are actually Ashkenazic. A white Jew would be a white person who has converted to the Jewish religion.</p>
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