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	<title>Comments on: Sandra Bernhard: Mariah&#8217;s only black when it helps sell records</title>
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		<title>By: July 2006 New Demographic Newsletter at New Demographic - an anti-racism training company</title>
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		<dc:creator>July 2006 New Demographic Newsletter at New Demographic - an anti-racism training company</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On the celebrity front, Angelina Jolie talks about adopting another child like it’s a matter of picking what curtains go with her pillows, and Sandra Bernhard goes on The View to accuse Mariah Carey of playing up her African-American heritage only when it helps her sell records. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] On the celebrity front, Angelina Jolie talks about adopting another child like it’s a matter of picking what curtains go with her pillows, and Sandra Bernhard goes on The View to accuse Mariah Carey of playing up her African-American heritage only when it helps her sell records. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Wayman</title>
		<link>http://www.mixedmediawatch.com/2006/06/26/sandra-bernhard-mariahs-only-black-when-it-helps-sell-records/#comment-12869</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandra Bernhard disgusts me. She's an ugly, dated comedian who has nothing else better to do than talk about a routine she did eight years ago! Get a life, you hag! Also, Mariah has been very open about her Black heritage and her problems as a mixed girl. Just as ignorant people like Sandra giving her flack about her identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandra Bernhard disgusts me. She&#8217;s an ugly, dated comedian who has nothing else better to do than talk about a routine she did eight years ago! Get a life, you hag! Also, Mariah has been very open about her Black heritage and her problems as a mixed girl. Just as ignorant people like Sandra giving her flack about her identity.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
		<link>http://www.mixedmediawatch.com/2006/06/26/sandra-bernhard-mariahs-only-black-when-it-helps-sell-records/#comment-12731</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why does it even matter what her skin colour is????? when i look around for new music. i don't go around thinking , ok, today i'm gonna look in the white category or black category etc etc... i look for the type of music: pop; r &#38; b; jazz; rock.... if Mariah Carey wants to use biracialness to her advantages, it is her business. it is not against the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why does it even matter what her skin colour is????? when i look around for new music. i don&#8217;t go around thinking , ok, today i&#8217;m gonna look in the white category or black category etc etc&#8230; i look for the type of music: pop; r &amp; b; jazz; rock&#8230;. if Mariah Carey wants to use biracialness to her advantages, it is her business. it is not against the law.</p>
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		<title>By: its a JOKE</title>
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		<dc:creator>its a JOKE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>guys, you need to relax,  Sandra Bernhard is NOT a racist, nor were her comments meant to be taken seriously.  It was a lighthearted routine she did 8 years ago, and if you listen to the routine, its funny.  Sandra cuts up everything and everyone... she also said on The View that Laura Bush was "obviously heavily medicated".  She's not coming from a racist place at all.  I'm biracial and a huge fan of both Sandra Bernhard AND Mariah Carey.  
Her use of the word "niggerish" is SHOCKING, yes, but it is NOT MEANT TO BE SERIOUS.  She's a comedian, and i see tons of other comedians (like  Dave Chappelle) using "the N word" in their performances.  She used it intentionally to be shocking, and not to be racist.  She uses the race card the same way she insiuates (IN HER COMEDY ROUTINE) that Mariah used "race" to leap from bubblegum pop princess to a more legitimate Diva, post Tommy Mottola.  Its meant to be funny.  Please... lighten up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guys, you need to relax,  Sandra Bernhard is NOT a racist, nor were her comments meant to be taken seriously.  It was a lighthearted routine she did 8 years ago, and if you listen to the routine, its funny.  Sandra cuts up everything and everyone&#8230; she also said on The View that Laura Bush was &#8220;obviously heavily medicated&#8221;.  She&#8217;s not coming from a racist place at all.  I&#8217;m biracial and a huge fan of both Sandra Bernhard AND Mariah Carey.<br />
Her use of the word &#8220;niggerish&#8221; is SHOCKING, yes, but it is NOT MEANT TO BE SERIOUS.  She&#8217;s a comedian, and i see tons of other comedians (like  Dave Chappelle) using &#8220;the N word&#8221; in their performances.  She used it intentionally to be shocking, and not to be racist.  She uses the race card the same way she insiuates (IN HER COMEDY ROUTINE) that Mariah used &#8220;race&#8221; to leap from bubblegum pop princess to a more legitimate Diva, post Tommy Mottola.  Its meant to be funny.  Please&#8230; lighten up!</p>
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		<title>By: mtevc</title>
		<link>http://www.mixedmediawatch.com/2006/06/26/sandra-bernhard-mariahs-only-black-when-it-helps-sell-records/#comment-11526</link>
		<dc:creator>mtevc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 20:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay, not to get into this argument...i am not quite sure why everyone gets so bent out of shape on mariah, and is all in love with halle and alicia keyes...on a totally superficial level, mariah's last cd was fun...nuff said...in all of her interviews about her life, she was totally honest that growing up was difficult...sheesh, think about where her sister is now...i am going to say something so politically incorrect now...if the essence readers were beefing, it's because of how mariah looks...her looks are more, shall we say, ambigious, than say halle or alicia??? i have heard the most atrocious things from black women about light skinned black women and biracial women, and there is much of that still around today...whatever the motivation or the reasons for it (and there are many), it is there...still, the industry does like it when artists are lighter or more ambigious...and the perfect example is when they take someone and try to make them appear lighter in print or on video...take beyonce for example...i don't even know if this is worth saying, but she is so blasted with light and makeup, that it's interesting to note that she is many (and i mean many) shades darker than she appears in print and on camera...i wouldn't even group her with the others, if this is an issue of acceptance of "light" skinned or biracial women...beyonce makes sure she is "down" at every moment...i could beat her with a stick for that stupid song "soldier" that she did with destiny's child...that song singlehandedly brought down the IQ's and the self esteem of every black woman across the country...moral of that song: get a street thug to take care of you girls</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay, not to get into this argument&#8230;i am not quite sure why everyone gets so bent out of shape on mariah, and is all in love with halle and alicia keyes&#8230;on a totally superficial level, mariah&#8217;s last cd was fun&#8230;nuff said&#8230;in all of her interviews about her life, she was totally honest that growing up was difficult&#8230;sheesh, think about where her sister is now&#8230;i am going to say something so politically incorrect now&#8230;if the essence readers were beefing, it&#8217;s because of how mariah looks&#8230;her looks are more, shall we say, ambigious, than say halle or alicia??? i have heard the most atrocious things from black women about light skinned black women and biracial women, and there is much of that still around today&#8230;whatever the motivation or the reasons for it (and there are many), it is there&#8230;still, the industry does like it when artists are lighter or more ambigious&#8230;and the perfect example is when they take someone and try to make them appear lighter in print or on video&#8230;take beyonce for example&#8230;i don&#8217;t even know if this is worth saying, but she is so blasted with light and makeup, that it&#8217;s interesting to note that she is many (and i mean many) shades darker than she appears in print and on camera&#8230;i wouldn&#8217;t even group her with the others, if this is an issue of acceptance of &#8220;light&#8221; skinned or biracial women&#8230;beyonce makes sure she is &#8220;down&#8221; at every moment&#8230;i could beat her with a stick for that stupid song &#8220;soldier&#8221; that she did with destiny&#8217;s child&#8230;that song singlehandedly brought down the IQ&#8217;s and the self esteem of every black woman across the country&#8230;moral of that song: get a street thug to take care of you girls</p>
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		<title>By: Staci</title>
		<link>http://www.mixedmediawatch.com/2006/06/26/sandra-bernhard-mariahs-only-black-when-it-helps-sell-records/#comment-11417</link>
		<dc:creator>Staci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess what? Everyone is right. That is what make Mariah Carey a confusing and controversial figure. I have read several interviews(Essence, Elle, Movieline, and America) with Carey and my view of her is based on what her statements were there. If she said something different on Oprah, my apologies. I stand by everything else I said, though.  Her common refrain is "poor me", despite success at an early age, mass crossover appeal, and an apparently dealyed adolescence. I didn't realize she was a sacred cow.  It is just an opinion, no more no less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess what? Everyone is right. That is what make Mariah Carey a confusing and controversial figure. I have read several interviews(Essence, Elle, Movieline, and America) with Carey and my view of her is based on what her statements were there. If she said something different on Oprah, my apologies. I stand by everything else I said, though.  Her common refrain is &#8220;poor me&#8221;, despite success at an early age, mass crossover appeal, and an apparently dealyed adolescence. I didn&#8217;t realize she was a sacred cow.  It is just an opinion, no more no less.</p>
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		<title>By: dcmc</title>
		<link>http://www.mixedmediawatch.com/2006/06/26/sandra-bernhard-mariahs-only-black-when-it-helps-sell-records/#comment-11216</link>
		<dc:creator>dcmc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 04:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sooo sorry Jen!!!</description>
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		<title>By: dcmc</title>
		<link>http://www.mixedmediawatch.com/2006/06/26/sandra-bernhard-mariahs-only-black-when-it-helps-sell-records/#comment-11215</link>
		<dc:creator>dcmc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 04:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carmen &#38; Jane plz do this topic on ur next podcast! If only u guys can interview mariah herself!haha, or just mixed ppl with similar experenices!

I am so fed up with posters like Staci who does not know a thing about Mariah and had totally inaccurate sources trashing her "mixedness" at any given chance!

Alicia &#38; Halle made it very clear in interviews that they chose to identify as black early on, whichi is fine. And Mariah also had stated that she identifies as a mixed-race human beings, which apparently offended some ppl in that they think every mixed person has to "choose a side". I am saying my point yet once again that Mariah is always subjected to this kind of crticism only becuz of her skin color. If Alicia or Halle act or dress a certain way they would be praised either for their "downess" or "intelligent black woman representing". But for Mariah, she is never black enough or white enough for some. And you wonder why she's written those "sappy" lyrcis about being mixed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carmen &amp; Jane plz do this topic on ur next podcast! If only u guys can interview mariah herself!haha, or just mixed ppl with similar experenices!</p>
<p>I am so fed up with posters like Staci who does not know a thing about Mariah and had totally inaccurate sources trashing her &#8220;mixedness&#8221; at any given chance!</p>
<p>Alicia &amp; Halle made it very clear in interviews that they chose to identify as black early on, whichi is fine. And Mariah also had stated that she identifies as a mixed-race human beings, which apparently offended some ppl in that they think every mixed person has to &#8220;choose a side&#8221;. I am saying my point yet once again that Mariah is always subjected to this kind of crticism only becuz of her skin color. If Alicia or Halle act or dress a certain way they would be praised either for their &#8220;downess&#8221; or &#8220;intelligent black woman representing&#8221;. But for Mariah, she is never black enough or white enough for some. And you wonder why she&#8217;s written those &#8220;sappy&#8221; lyrcis about being mixed?</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.mixedmediawatch.com/2006/06/26/sandra-bernhard-mariahs-only-black-when-it-helps-sell-records/#comment-10877</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sorry that last post is me...

I think that this post is a bit disingenuous.

There needs to be a distinction made between mixed-race people who don’t feel the need to “choose” and the reality that this country has a long history of rewarding assimilation. This goes beyond actual miscenegated people, to white ethnicities. This country dangles all the rewards of ‘whiteness’ in front of folks and many a group has taken advantage.

That statement is meant very objectively. It’s not intended as a judgement. But rather, it’s meant to remind people that there are benefits to being white or being considered less “non-white”. And while one doesn’t always consciously take advantage of said benefits, pretending as if they aren’t there, or that some do take advantage, or that this is “the American way” is really to be complicit with the system.

Mariah Carey doesn’t really pimp her blackness, not really. But she does pimp very complex ideas about light skinned black women. As such, this is a gender-shaded race argument. The tragic mulatto is a trope that few folks know about. In a nation where women like Halle, Alicia and Beyonce are the only black women to grace our nation’s most mainstream “beauty magazines”, we need to understand and admit that a diversity of black female beauty is still not widely celebrated. That is not to chastize Halle, Alicia and Beyonce for being light skinned or for gracing those covers, but it is about holding the larger population accountable for what they consume. 

The hyper-sexual image of women like Beyonce and Mariah in today’s pop realm is not all that different from images of biracial women throughout the nation’s history. 

My point is that I think you are somewhat unfair to the sociologist who makes a legitimate point about the ability to pass in this country for white or for white privilege. Acknowledging the ability of folks to pass is not the same as castigating them for doing it. And that’s important to relay to your readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry that last post is me&#8230;</p>
<p>I think that this post is a bit disingenuous.</p>
<p>There needs to be a distinction made between mixed-race people who don’t feel the need to “choose” and the reality that this country has a long history of rewarding assimilation. This goes beyond actual miscenegated people, to white ethnicities. This country dangles all the rewards of ‘whiteness’ in front of folks and many a group has taken advantage.</p>
<p>That statement is meant very objectively. It’s not intended as a judgement. But rather, it’s meant to remind people that there are benefits to being white or being considered less “non-white”. And while one doesn’t always consciously take advantage of said benefits, pretending as if they aren’t there, or that some do take advantage, or that this is “the American way” is really to be complicit with the system.</p>
<p>Mariah Carey doesn’t really pimp her blackness, not really. But she does pimp very complex ideas about light skinned black women. As such, this is a gender-shaded race argument. The tragic mulatto is a trope that few folks know about. In a nation where women like Halle, Alicia and Beyonce are the only black women to grace our nation’s most mainstream “beauty magazines”, we need to understand and admit that a diversity of black female beauty is still not widely celebrated. That is not to chastize Halle, Alicia and Beyonce for being light skinned or for gracing those covers, but it is about holding the larger population accountable for what they consume. </p>
<p>The hyper-sexual image of women like Beyonce and Mariah in today’s pop realm is not all that different from images of biracial women throughout the nation’s history. </p>
<p>My point is that I think you are somewhat unfair to the sociologist who makes a legitimate point about the ability to pass in this country for white or for white privilege. Acknowledging the ability of folks to pass is not the same as castigating them for doing it. And that’s important to relay to your readers.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that this post is a bit disingenuous.

There needs to be a distinction made between mixed-race people who don't feel the need to "choose" and the reality that this country has a long history of rewarding assimilation.  This goes beyond actual miscenegated people, to white ethnicities.  This country dangles all the rewards of 'whiteness' in front of folks and many a group has taken advantage.

That statement is meant very objectively. It's not intended as a judgement.  But rather, it's meant to remind people that there are benefits to being white or being considered less "non-white".  And while one doesn't always consciously take advantage of said benefits, pretending as if they aren't there, or that some do take advantage, or that this is "the American way" is really to be complicit with the system.

Mariah Carey doesn't really pimp her blackness, not really.  But she does pimp very complex ideas about light skinned black women.  As such, this is a gender-shaded race argument.  The tragic mulatto is a trope that few folks know about.  In a nation where women like Halle, Alicia and Beyonce are the only black women to grace our nation's most mainstream "beauty magazines", we need to understand and admit that a diversity of black female beauty is still not widely celebrated.  That is not to chastize Halle, Alicia and Beyonce for being light skinned or for gracing those covers, but it is about holding the larger population accountable for what they consume.  

The hyper-sexual image of women like Beyonce and Mariah in today's pop realm is not all that different from images of biracial women throughout the nation's history. 

My point is that I think you are somewhat unfair to the sociologist who makes a legitimate point about the ability to pass in this country for white or for white privilege.  Acknowledging the ability of folks to pass is not the same as castigating them for doing it.  And that's important to relaty to your readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that this post is a bit disingenuous.</p>
<p>There needs to be a distinction made between mixed-race people who don&#8217;t feel the need to &#8220;choose&#8221; and the reality that this country has a long history of rewarding assimilation.  This goes beyond actual miscenegated people, to white ethnicities.  This country dangles all the rewards of &#8216;whiteness&#8217; in front of folks and many a group has taken advantage.</p>
<p>That statement is meant very objectively. It&#8217;s not intended as a judgement.  But rather, it&#8217;s meant to remind people that there are benefits to being white or being considered less &#8220;non-white&#8221;.  And while one doesn&#8217;t always consciously take advantage of said benefits, pretending as if they aren&#8217;t there, or that some do take advantage, or that this is &#8220;the American way&#8221; is really to be complicit with the system.</p>
<p>Mariah Carey doesn&#8217;t really pimp her blackness, not really.  But she does pimp very complex ideas about light skinned black women.  As such, this is a gender-shaded race argument.  The tragic mulatto is a trope that few folks know about.  In a nation where women like Halle, Alicia and Beyonce are the only black women to grace our nation&#8217;s most mainstream &#8220;beauty magazines&#8221;, we need to understand and admit that a diversity of black female beauty is still not widely celebrated.  That is not to chastize Halle, Alicia and Beyonce for being light skinned or for gracing those covers, but it is about holding the larger population accountable for what they consume.  </p>
<p>The hyper-sexual image of women like Beyonce and Mariah in today&#8217;s pop realm is not all that different from images of biracial women throughout the nation&#8217;s history. </p>
<p>My point is that I think you are somewhat unfair to the sociologist who makes a legitimate point about the ability to pass in this country for white or for white privilege.  Acknowledging the ability of folks to pass is not the same as castigating them for doing it.  And that&#8217;s important to relaty to your readers.</p>
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