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Interracial = self-hatred

JC

book coverThanks to Tariq for the heads-up on this. A blogger reviewed Tonya Oliver’s book, Inside the…Negroes are Foolish League (the book was actually published a couple of years ago). It basically explores the *problem* of interracial relationships. That’s right — unfortunately, yet another piece that perpetuates the idea that black men who inter-marry basically hate themselves, hate their sisters, hate their mothers. This book takes a look at athletes who are with white women and criticizes all of it. She points out the ugliness that exists in some interracial relationships — while some people may have alterior motives, these should not be thought to be representative of every single interracial couple out there.

She provides examples to illustrate her point , though she does not give names to protect their privacy. In one case, when the white wife of one pro black athlete was asked by the white wife of another black pro athlete whether she planned to have kids with her husband, her response was: “Are you kidding? I wouldn’t have that monkey’s baby.”

“…We as black people must be able to seriously and, more importantly, honestly discuss the reason why some of our most successful black men have seemingly turned their backs on their mothers, their sisters, their people and themselves.’

She posits that it’s because white women have alway been forbidden fruit to black men and now that they can have them without being lynched, they are going for it to prove their manhood. Also, that Americans have been socialized to believe that the standard of beauty is a white woman and whereas in the past the closest a black man could get to that standard was a fair-skinned black woman with long hair, now he’s going for the real McCoy.

Trackbacks & Pings

  1. TheThink on 17 May 2006 at 9:12 am

    […] Why does it seem like every major news story that has stirred up the Black community in 2006 has either involved venerated Black women being ‘blasphemed’, venerated Black women being told that Black men aren’t worth their time anymore, or venerate Black women being mad about shiftless[1] Black men — or simply those that date White women? Not to even mention the venerated Black stripper, who I’m more than 200% guilty of siding with for the simple fact that I really can’t stand rich lacrosse players. […]

Comments

  1. P.Moore wrote:

    Yet another tired argument from a ’snubbed black woman’ about why black men end up dating/marrying/holding-hands-with white women.

    The website you linked says the following: “I did a little research and got the updated stats and according to 2004-2005 census data, there were 416,000 black/white couples in the United States in 2003. Of those 275,000 were black husbands/white wives, almost twice that of the 141,000 white husbands/black wives.”

    If this is the case, then I would be more than eager to hear from the same author of “Negroes [Are] Foolish League” why black women are marrying white men. I wouldn’t be surprised if she blamed those stats also on black men somehow.

  2. Charlette wrote:

    What I haven’t heard mentioned about these liaisons that have been occurring since the slaves were brought over here is the power status.
    White women I would gather from what I see on TV, the reality show for us all(I say that tongue in cheek) is that she goes where the power, money and status is and the black athlete offers that and more. If you remember black slave were lynched for having been accused for even looking at a white woman. Wasn’t that white woman enticing those black slaves because they were forbidden fruit, beautiful, virile, unattainable?
    Why are we beating up the black man for what he has been programmed for. The status symbol is white woman not the black female nor the Poor rejected Mulatto types. White is right in America. Am I right? Right!
    All hail the Patriarch, blame the Patriarch they started the chase of excitement by banning such relationships in the first place even though we know they were poking and stroking every color female from here to TimBukTu. What’s this crap about hating your mother etc. what about everyone hating something about yourself when you can’t get what ever it is you want FOR yourself. When you have to negotiate your life with a whiter person because that color is perceived as power globally. ANd who’s fault is it that we let this lie continue? Point to yourselves FOOLS.
    IF we just get over being spiteful, if we stop accepting the morals and standards of the Patriarchs and create your own then the freedom from labeling and pointing fingers as in this ludicrous book we’d be ahead of the eight ball instead of behind Bush and it.

  3. Bertie wrote:

    Well–this whole stereotype (all black athletes want white women) seems a little out dated. Many of the top athletes are famously not with white woman–Shaq; Kobe; Jordan; Lebron. While others do have white spouses, like Tiger and Tim Duncan–so basically you can find support for whatever argument you want to make if you take a few random (and iun the case of this book anonymous and thus unverifiable) antectdotes about athletes and their choice of mates. Arguments like this books always seem to belie the author’s own insecurities. Individuals like the author could probably pass by 100 black couples, but the moment she sees the one black man-white woman couple–immediately she goes into -all black men are leaving “us” for white women, or in jail, gay__(insert negative stereotype of black men) mode and blames interracial dating on why she’s unhappy, or unmarried, or un-dating, or lonely, or blah, blah, etc.)

  4. merq wrote:

    Thanks, Bertie.

    Well put. I wonder what this author thinks about the “trend” of black women dating white men.

  5. philfilger wrote:

    Given this topic, people might be interested in this book, ‘Black Skin, White Masks’ by Frantz Fanon, a Carribean author & psychiatrist:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0802150845/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/103-9765986-8644618?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=283155&s=books

    It talks about the affects of colonization & white standards of beauty on identity, (self) racism & gender.

  6. Francis wrote:

    As a person of mixed African and European roots, I think this “brothers betraying sisters” concept is ridiculous.

    Love stories are presumably founded on a feeling of mental and emotional bond between two persons. As far as physical attraction is concerned, the perception of beauty is subjective and I think each one is entitled to one’s own preferences and taste. Of course, there will always be the ones with a fetish, or a hidden agenda, but then again, this factor will also determine the longevity or the shortness of a relationship.

    Oddly enough, we all have our own “ideal of beauty”. It may be body height and shape, skin color, eye color, hair color or curliness, and so on… but I’m not sure that it is entirely conditioned by our culture or the media, because relationships are not build solely on looks.

    And in the end, each on of us DISCRIMINATES when we choose a partner. We usually like it when the person is closer to our ideal of beauty, which is often not the one dictated by society, and is sometimes based on a genuine cultural openness.

    What I do find irrelevant with the “brothers sticking to sisters” attitude is the fact that it is actually determined by politics. In the USA it has a lot of weight because of the country’s history if slavery. That would be like a French or a Jew choosing not to date a German because of the German occupation of France or the Shoa during WWII. Or an American not dating a Cuban because of Castro. Or not dating someone from the ex-USSR, and so on…

    A dark-skinned person discriminating on potential dark-skinned partners is exactly the same as a dark-skinned person discriminating on potential light-skinned partners. In simple words: a brother getting with a “white” chick just because she’s “white” is as arguable as a brother getting with a sister just because she’s “black”. The brother should simply get with the woman he’s truly in love with. Point.

    People should be allowed to get with whomever they fall in love with, without having the genuineness of their feelings questioned each time. And if their feeling aren’t genuine, the whole thing will eventually collapse by itself.

  7. Daisy wrote:

    Black men are only attractive the white women when they have money… And no, I’m not a “snubbed black woman”…

  8. mr guy wrote:

    “Black men are only attractive the white women when they have money”

    how did you gigure that?

  9. Francis wrote:

    Black men are only attractive the white women when they have money… And no, I’m not a “snubbed black woman”…

    Dear Daisy. That’s implying that “white” women only go for money and “black” men on their own are unattractive.

    I wouldn’t blame a women for looking for security and stability in a man, even when that means “financial” security; especially if she’s expected to carry out a valuable full-time job such as bearing and raising children.

    Also, I wouldn’t blame a woman for looking for a skilled, strong, healthy and well-built man. These are characteristics that usually make a man attractive and also unconsciously suggest good genes and a strong immune system.

  10. mr guy wrote:

    “How did you figure that?”
    Is what I ment to type.Damn typos………..

  11. Merq wrote:

    “Black men are only attractive the white women when they have money”

    Interesting. Seeing as these days, white women are just as (if not more) likely to date an unsuccessful (or even a stereotypically broke/”trifling”) black man.

  12. Merq wrote:

    Sorry, incomplete thought. (that’s what happens when you overuse the parenthesis… no, the irony of me using one here is not lost on me)

    I meant to say that these days, white women are just as/more likely to do so as/than black women.

    So the point of your argument is lost on me.

  13. Bertie wrote:

    Merq–the author would likely blame black men’s love of white women, criminality, latent homosexuality, etc. for why black women are now “forced” to date white men. Of course, the fact that any particular black woman may be attracted to, have common goals or interest with, live, work, or socialize in the same circles etc., with a specific white man probably would not come into the author’s equation. And we already know the author’s views on the reverse. But in the end–as with everything in some folk’s view–its my fault for having the audacity to be simultaneously black and male. Next black men will be blamed for driving gas prices higher because our love of spinning rims reduce a car’s miles per gallon–thus reducing overall gas supply and raising demand and as well as prices.

  14. Merq wrote:

    Dude, I thought you knew.

    Black men* eat children, start wars, and made Baby Jesus cry.

    (*Substitute “black men” for “biracials who ‘deny their blackness’” and/or “interracial couples” where applicable)

  15. JG wrote:

    Isn’t it the white women who should be worried and concerned about “their” men? White male/Asian female couples are the largest “interracial” group. Period. But of course, that’s not a burning discussion for America…it’s “ok” to do.

  16. Daisy wrote:

    The white chick who does go with a “trifling” black guy is usually obese / ugly / has a bad dye job / no dress sense / is a crack whore (if not all the above) and probably can’t get a decent guy anyway… the “trifling” black guy is so in awe of the white meat he’s having, he doesn’t quite notice that no-one else wanted that which he’s having…
    …nor does he notice everyone laughing behind his back…

  17. Daisy wrote:

    …and as for Asian women and white guys… they usually look good together… and even though i know jen and carmen don’t like people saying this, but i’ll say it anyway: they usually produce damn fine looking offspring…

  18. merq wrote:

    Thanks, Daisy.

    That’ll be all for now.

  19. chris wrote:

    I am sooooooooooo tired of people thinking that all black women are MAD because black men are dating women of other races. Not all of us care. I know I don’t. If a black man dates a white woman thats is perogative. He shouldn’t care what others think unless he is with her for other reasons besides love and compainionship.
    I think all this talk about black women being mad at black men for dating white women (and others) gives white women (and others) this false sense of superiority. How can it not? You have black women discussing the issue to no end. You have black men defending their reason for dating white women (the usual answers are they are nicer, less angry, not overweight, less baggage, real hair, long hair, etc.). Lets just drop it. There is always going to be interracial dating/marriage, there are always going to be people who marry for the wrong reasons (that happens in same race marriages), yet there are going to be people who marry for the right reasons.

  20. Lyonside wrote:

    Yay! Troll! Proof that Stupid knows no race.

    But, I have to add, if white women are after black men for their money, then 1) my dad has been holding out on me, and 2) he’s been holding out on himself. Thanks for my daily chuckle!

  21. TrollWatcher wrote:

    Hmmm… Lyonside - the woman who has no kids while at the same time having two blue eyed sons - seems rather at home throwing the term “troll” around… Yet is unable to defend herself against rumours of her own troll-dom…

    Very very interesting…

  22. Merq wrote:

    wow. looks like it’s on now!

    during recess, by the swings.

  23. John wrote:

    Lyonside,

    Kinda sad that the person who always leaves the most intelligent, thought-provoking comments seems to attract all the bs. (I remember you’ve had much worse.)
    Lyonside rules!

  24. TrollWatcher wrote:

    So… the question remains - Does Lyonside have 2 blue eyed sons or not…??

  25. Merq wrote:

    Dude, shut the fuck up. Can’t you tell when you’re being ignored (by Lyonside, at least)?

  26. FunAli wrote:

    I actually read the book and it has some basis, she makes quite a few good points. I don’t agree with every argument. She doesn’t think all white women who date black men are the “blue eyed devil”. I myself don’t agree with BM who date WW exclusively as many Black athletes do. If she treats him well I’m all for it. After all, if he were my brother I couldn’t say don’t marry the woman that makes you happy because she is white. It comes down to the principle. Many of these athletes detest BW and adore WW. If a Beyonce walked into a room many of these men wouldn’t even have noticed, but if a white housewife from Georgia walked in… the ecstacy on their face would be sickening. Many of these brothers wouldn’t give a good sistah the time of day. Im not even mad though b/c its their choice, but don’t be surprised if it doesn’t sit well with many black women. Black men wont begin to understand what if feels like until the day when they are constantly bombarded with beautiful wealthy black women dating white men exclusively. Then they’ll see what hapens when their huge egos get bruised. All I can say is read the book.

  27. TheVacationDiva wrote:

    I have to agree 100% with EVERYthing FunAli wrote below! Besides, I’ve met the author [Tonya] personally and she’s an awesome woman, indeed! We’d always seem to run into each other in Fort Lauderdale!
    LOL, also—it can’t hurt none to be 5′9, with the most beautiful creamy and flawless skin and the most awesome and greenest eyes God could have ever created from above! You GO Tonya! Let the haters keep hatin’…

    FunAli :
    I actually read the book and it has some basis, she makes quite a few good points. I don’t agree with every argument. She doesn’t think all white women who date black men are the “blue eyed devil”. I myself don’t agree with BM who date WW exclusively as many Black athletes do. If she treats him well I’m all for it. After all, if he were my brother I couldn’t say don’t marry the woman that makes you happy because she is white. It comes down to the principle. Many of these athletes detest BW and adore WW. If a Beyonce walked into a room many of these men wouldn’t even have noticed, but if a white housewife from Georgia walked in… the ecstacy on their face would be sickening. Many of these brothers wouldn’t give a good sistah the time of day. Im not even mad though b/c its their choice, but don’t be surprised if it doesn’t sit well with many black women. Black men wont begin to understand what if feels like until the day when they are constantly bombarded with beautiful wealthy black women dating white men exclusively. Then they’ll see what hapens when their huge egos get bruised. All I can say is read the book.

  28. Joe wrote:

    All this sabre rattling to justify the ugly duplicitous behavior of hypocritical black men. While leveraging the powers that be for political gain, black males persistently practice the highest order of sexual mating racism and eugenics. I have yet to see one black male pair up interracially with some one other than a caucasian. Fact: black men are the real racists. Fact 2: white women have been afforded far too much political leaway for self-serving behavior.

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