Jade, shut up!
CVK
If I have to hear Jade on America’s Next Top Model say one more time that she’s a “beautiful biracial butterfly” I will throw up.
CVK
If I have to hear Jade on America’s Next Top Model say one more time that she’s a “beautiful biracial butterfly” I will throw up.
eric wrote:
Wow, all I can say about this post is I’m shocked it took till 10:46AM to get on the site, I figured you guys would have had posted that at about 8:45PM last night!
I was like “Damn, Jade is about to get MMW-ized tomorrow, please believe THAT!”
Posted 27 Apr 2006 at 11:12 am ¶
half monarch half viceroy all orange wrote:
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I saw this mess last night (the shame
) and knew you’d get on her. I believe she referred to herself as exotic. Maybe she can market herself to those magazines that want her so badly…
When she said beautiful biracial butterfly I almost pissed myself. How dare she insult butterflies. Someone ought to call the Sierra Club on her ass!
After a few beers, I began to philosophize. Can you offend and marginalize yourself?
Posted 27 Apr 2006 at 11:12 am ¶
P.Moore wrote:
LMAO @ ‘half monarch half viceroy all orange’
But on a more serious note, can mixed people not call themselves beautiful? Granted, I don’t watch the show and I think Jade is a disgrace, but on a grander scale, are there things we as mixed people can call ourselves?
I’ve heard ‘black and beautiful’, or things like ‘hot white girls’, etc. etc. etc. What if I were to say, “Yeah, I, being a biracial person, find biracial people to be really beautiful.” Is that wrong? What if a biracial person referred to another biracial person as “a beautiful biracial chick” or the like? Would this offend more than say, “a beautiful Black chick” or a “beautiful Asian chick”? I really don’t know the answers to those questions, but at what point do we stop criticizing people for thinking they are beautiful and allow biracial people a safe medium to express their appreciation for their own beauty?
Granted, I TOTALLY agree with your sentiments about Jade, Carmen, but this is something I’ve always thought about. Why is it okay that some races can be called “beautiful and [race here]” and others can’t? Can the term “beautiful” be applied to race and not be offensive or wrong? I admit it, I do find certain races more attractive to me than other races, and to lie about it wouldn’t be right (am I wrong for this?). Anyway that’s a complete digression from this post, which sheds light on yet another idiot on television.
Posted 27 Apr 2006 at 12:42 pm ¶
Daniel wrote:
Wow! Did she actually say that in front of other people!? Her comment leaves me wondering what she looked like as a caterpillar. Too bad we’ll never know.
Posted 27 Apr 2006 at 3:07 pm ¶
Lyonside wrote:
P. Moore:
The short answer: YES. It is objectively WRONG because you are attributing a trait (beauty) to an entire group that is NOT monolithic and therefore cannot have all the same trait. It is subjectively WRONG because beauty standards are intensely subjective, arbitrary, and culturally based. I concede that some things (symmetry, ratios of physical dimensions, hair/nail appearance) may be hardwired because they can be subtle indications of fertility/health. However, even a positive stereotype is still a steretype.
As a biracial woman who… not to down myself, but I know many mixed folks that are far more conventionally attractive than myself, and I wouldn’t presume to think that ALL OF US look the same.
So yeah, it’s an insult. It applies that all mixed folk of certain ethnicities look the same, and that all of us fit the same beauty aesthetic. *GAG*
Posted 27 Apr 2006 at 5:01 pm ¶
Lyonside wrote:
grr. “applies” should be “implies.”
Posted 27 Apr 2006 at 5:02 pm ¶
Keya wrote:
GO JADE
Posted 27 Apr 2006 at 6:16 pm ¶
Charlette wrote:
What are you stupid people jabbering bout, how long have you been put down or not even considered in this racist world because you are of mixed ethnicities for which there really isn’t any evidence that races exist. WHAH!
She is a mouth that is for sure because she is attempting to keep up the pressure on the other ladies, which in real life what the white women do on a daily basis to everyone they come in?
Posted 27 Apr 2006 at 9:25 pm ¶
Charlette wrote:
What are you unreal people jabbering about? When was the last time you out mouthed oppression and been in the competition of your life?
White women do it 24/7 to every human being that comes in contact with them for everything from getting a husband to being first in line to buy tooth paste. Chill, folks, she is just mimicing what she has learned from the experts. You just can’t stand women who know how to talk your opponents into defeat, Arnold Shwarz did it all of his competitive years, etc. etc. what’s good for the goose is good for mixed people. and by the way there aren’t any mixed race people there is only one race, the human race so say bioligist and if you don’t believe you are just one of those elitest who can’t see giving up his pseudo spot of American white privilege.
shshshshahahahahahahahahahah
Posted 27 Apr 2006 at 9:29 pm ¶
Bohemian Writer wrote:
laughing @ this thread! *walks out not taking ANY of what Charlette says seriously*
Posted 27 Apr 2006 at 10:28 pm ¶
Lyonside wrote:
Charlette: The Hell? I’m thinking you’re being a bit subliterate (or at least you were on this thread). You’re right on a few things, and then you go off the deep end “jabbering” about US? ALL of us? The thread? The topic? WHO are you ranting at? It’s funny to read, but it also makes me suspect substance abuse. With many posters and different points and opinions on a site like this, it is the grown-up thing to at least point out WHAT you disagree with and why.
All joking aside, please, if I’m right at all about the substances, get help.
Posted 28 Apr 2006 at 6:04 am ¶
half monarch half viceroy all orange wrote:
P. Moore I have NO problem w/ anybody being or calling themselves beautiful. She is beautiful (inside at least) and biracial.
But that phrase was so silly (kinda like “STRAWNG Black Woman) and her demeanor….
Posted 28 Apr 2006 at 7:44 am ¶
half monarch half viceroy all orange wrote:
good point lyonside
I was w/ a Mexican-Am man once. This lady said, you will have some pretty babies. She happened to be White, but I’ve heard Blacks say it just as much.
People always think that’s a compliment. I’m thinking, okaaayyyy so what are you saying about me.
Posted 28 Apr 2006 at 7:48 am ¶
dcmc wrote:
I like Jade and I get where she is coming from. Ever since she was on ANTM ppl constantly bash her age, her looks, her “arrogance” gosh if she don’t think she is beautiful then why is she even there? Being confident always somehow got betrayed as bitchiness on ANTM.
Posted 28 Apr 2006 at 10:38 am ¶
jade wrote:
so wat i am jus stating wat i am so shut up
Posted 28 Apr 2006 at 2:12 pm ¶
Lyonside wrote:
The point remains:
Jade is physically beautiful. I don’t know her (and even if I watched the show I still wouldn’t claim to “know” her) so I can’t claim that she is emotionally/mentally/morally beautiful.
Some of her features are due to her mixed heritage (coloration, hair texture, facial features). Some are strictly due to other non-ethnic genetics (height, metabolism). Some may be a combination.
MIXED does not equal BEAUTY. BEAUTY does not equal MIXED. Sometimes they coincide. Sometimes they don’t.
“and what if there are no damsels in distress
what if i knew that and i called your bluff?
don’t you think every kitten figures out how to get down
whether or not you ever show up
i am not a pretty girl
i don’t want to be a pretty girl
no i want to be more than a pretty girl”
- Ani Difranco
Posted 28 Apr 2006 at 3:05 pm ¶
Adrianna wrote:
Ah! the pleasure of objectifying one self. Balck is beautiful, white hot girls hot asian females and beautiful biracial buterfly.lol I mean when we will just see people for who they are and not what color their skin is and what their mixed with. On the same note I get pissed when someone say ” wow you are pretty for a dark girl” Of course the idiot has probably met all the dark women of the world to made that kind of assumption. Just like the other idiots who say mixed babies are the most beautiful babies in the world that is course the also have seen and met the millions of mixed babies of the world. If we stoped lumping everyone in one baskets we would not have to deal with any stereotypes. This of of course just wishful thinking.
Posted 30 Apr 2006 at 5:19 pm ¶
mtevc wrote:
i have to swat me some bugs!
Posted 02 May 2006 at 8:33 am ¶
Lyonside wrote:
*snicker* I’m a “Eye of the Beholder” motley moth. Don’t swat me!
Posted 02 May 2006 at 3:58 pm ¶
Shawna wrote:
I agree! OK this bitch is tripping. Bi-racial people are beautiful. However, thats all this chick thinks she has to offer and she thinks this is a mark above the rest. She get a reality slap one day and realize it’s about the being not the race… That butterfly needs to morph into a person let it go!
Posted 03 May 2006 at 7:17 pm ¶
Lyonside wrote:
Shawna, see that’s where I object: mixed people are not automatically physically “beautiful” by conventional societal standards just by virtue of being mixed (but in my heart of hearts I think that everyone by virtue of their humanity has something beautiful about them, even the worst of us).
To say so feeds into “hybrid vigor” and any other crap they tell us…
Posted 04 May 2006 at 8:50 am ¶
seamus wrote:
Who would describe an elephant as preposterous??????
Jade is stupid.
Posted 10 May 2006 at 7:41 am ¶
Taz! wrote:
hi, everyone! I’m 14 and I don’t get some of the posts? what are we mad about? well, i was on anothe topic board, and this one man said that black girls= ugly. WTF?! that isn’t true! you should look at ethiopian woman, who are GORGEOUS (trying to be true to my opinion, so most of them are, not all)!!! oh, and i’m biracial, tol (asian and black) and i think I’m ugly. everyone tells me that I’m pretty, so… oh, well? what we talkin bout? she’s pretty, but it doesn’t matter that she’s biracial, ya know? she coulda just been a bug, they’re pretty, too….
Posted 24 May 2006 at 6:45 pm ¶
Brian wrote:
who cares shes sexy as hell
Posted 26 May 2006 at 6:21 pm ¶
essence wrote:
DONT HATE ON THE BIRACIAL BUTTERFLYS!!
Posted 26 May 2006 at 6:26 pm ¶
Taz wrote:
I sounded pretty stupid in the last post, but that coulda been blamed on the fact that i was pretty stoned… oh, well. ^.^ she is pretty, and black, white, asian, hispanic, arabic, and biracial people are all beautiful, ya know? certain races share different physical features, so.. BUt, it shouldn’t be wrong to call herself beautiful and biracial, but saying it too much has brought me on the verge of vomiting up butterfly wings! ^.^;;
Posted 27 May 2006 at 4:30 pm ¶
monkeylumps wrote:
Hmm…”beautiful biracial butterfly”! Onomatopoeia. Sounds silly, but if that’s how she sees herself, it shows her sense of humor. Jade’s personality was a bit much, but most aspiring models/vet models don’t make it by being nice people. Being forceful, pushy, diva-esque probably helps.
@ Charlette: Hon, what do white women have to do with this?
@ Lyonside: I’m with you until the part about how she attributed beauty to ALL mixed folks. She wasn’t specifically talking about all mixed people, she was referring to herself. Clearly not all white people look alike, not all Asian people look alike, not all mixed people look alike, etc. She said that SHE, as an individual, is a beautiful biracial butterfly. That seems to be her perception of herself. Not an implication of mixed=better, more beautiful.
@ Shawna: No offense but you probably misinterpreted Jade’s comment. She seemed a bit full of herself…however, if she’s comfortable with describing herself as a “beautiful biracial butterfly”, she’s clearly comfortable with her heritage. There were girls of all kinds on that show. If labeling herself that way, with positive-sounding connotations, makes her confident, how is that bad? So many mixed people are either praised or shunned for being mixed, and many have a difficult time in American society. Whatever Jade might be, she accepts her heritage and that is positive.
Posted 20 Aug 2006 at 1:57 am ¶