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Our review of Oprah’s show on interracial relationships

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On yesterday’s episode of Oprah, she interviewed Sanaa Lathan and Simon Baker, stars of the new film “Something New” and talked to some real-life interracial couples.

The segment was light-hearted and humorous, so I give them props for at least not succumbing to the usual daytime talk show treatment of the subject, i.e. “I was beaten up and disowned by my parents for dating a black man who ran out on me after I gave birth to a biracial baby whose hair I have no idea how to fix and oh by the way I’m not even sure which black man is the father so I need a paternity test.”

That said, they definitely did organize the segment along some really established stereotypes: hair (why do black women stay in the hair salon for so many hours?), sex (more below), dancing (guess who does it badly?), family differences (white people play bingo, black people play spades). At the end of the segment, they had a very brief roundtable of black men talking about how they feel like they “lost a good one” when they see a “good black woman” with a white man. And of course, the only kinds of couples they showed were black/white. But that seems to be Oprah’s simplistic take on race in general (Asians? Latinos? what are those?), so no surprises there.

Okay, so the sex… this was quite horrendous. Oprah started by talking about the scene in the movie where Sanaa’s girlfriends question her about whether or not Simon is good in bed. So this leads into them asking the real interracial couples about their sex lives.

Couple 1:
The black woman says her friends told her that she should only sleep with her white boyfriend if she’s serious about staying with him because “once you go black you never go back” and she’ll never be able to get rid of him later.

Couple 2:
The white woman talks about how her friends are constantly asking if her black boyfriend is well-endowed, and she says she tells them that yes, he is, and that that particular stereotype is definitely true.

Couple 3:
The black woman says to her white boyfriend, “you love it when I do my Beyonce booty shake!”

I thought it was interesting that in every one of these couples, there was an implication that only the black partner possessed sexualized characteristics and that the white partner’s role was just to be in awe of those characteristics.

And then they got to the last couple. The black woman talks about the fact that her black girlfriends are constantly grilling her about her white boyfriend, curious as to his sexual performance. Oprah asks what types of questions they have. And the woman responds, “They’ll ask ‘is it pink?’”

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! This was even grosser than when Oprah said to a sex addict on a recent show “so these strange men ejaculate on your face?” I mean, I’m really not a prude but remarks like these just seem really inappropriate for daytime television.

Anyway, be sure to check out our in-depth and pink penis-free review of Something New on episode 16 of Addicted to Race. We absolutely loved it - so be sure to go out and support this movie!

Trackbacks & Pings

  1. Mixed Media Watch - tracking media representations of mixed people on 10 Jul 2006 at 4:01 pm

    […] If these stereotypes seem familiar, it might be because they are trotted out in literally every single article about black-white interracial relationships. Also, practically every single one of these stereotypes was featured in that spectacularly bad episode Oprah did on interracial relationships. Oh, but Essence forgot one: the one about how white people can’t dance? Whew! Good thing Oprah covered that one. If you’re interested in more on how the media perpetuates endless stereotypes about interracial relationships, check out our article Media Reflects Society’s Ambivalence Toward Interracial Relationships and video clips from our New Demographic workshop, Not Just Fetishists and Race Traitors: Challenging the Ways We Look At Interracial Relationships. […]

Comments

  1. Wow! wrote:

    Wow! We’ve come a long way in race relations, now haven’t we.

    It was just this reason why I wanted to see O’s show but missed it. I wanted to see if the couples would reduce their relationship to superficial stereotypes. From your piece, I gather they did not disappoint. Its for this reason why I am suspicious whenever I see an interracial couple in public. I often wonder, okay are they in it for love or just to test out the sexual fetishes and myths we’ve been bombarded with. I definitely won’t be watching this movie. We have a long way to go baby!

  2. jb wrote:

    i wanted to watch the whole show but only survived 30 minutes. their reliance on tired stereotypes was too much: ‘black people eat fried chicken, play spades and dominoes, kiss better than whites, are better endowed, wear bright colors (even to funerals) and are so so much fun.’ it was really too much. sanaa seemed pained at moments.

  3. Uneek wrote:

    At last!There’s hope for us black college educated women!God bless Something New!

  4. Please! wrote:

    RL, go crawl back under the rock you came from. PLEASE!!!

  5. Mary wrote:

    I’m shocked that Oprah would allow such talk on her show. I thought she was above that.

    I also don’t understand how any woman (or man for that matter) can tolerate nosy friends asking questions concerning their s sex life. How very impertinent and immature. If this is what “Something New” is all about then I have no desire to see it. The trailers don’t look that interesting anyway, and the guy in the movie is not attractive at all, in my opinion. You either have to have real acting ability or some semi-attractive looks for me to pay $20 to watch your movie. Maybe when the movie hits cable I’ll watch, though I’m not going to hold my breath on that one.

  6. Johnna wrote:

    I just wish they had talked more about the movie. Maybe they did, and it was edited out. There was really no point to Simon and Sanaa being there, not that I minded seeing them, of course. I would have liked to have seen interviews with the filmmakers.

    I agree that the sex part would have been better left unsaid, but the rest of it was funny.

  7. Adrianna wrote:

    They made it seem as if someone in the relationship was an Alien. Like when the woman’s freind was asking about the anatomy of a white man . for crying out loud !!!!that was disgusting it’s not pink it’s tan ewwwwwwww. But I did like when Oprah said it’s going global. I’m from the Carribean and that is how was raised to see people in a globalized way. To be open to people of all cultures. My family is multi cultural. We need to stop referring these relationships as interracial. There is no race. It is more like interethnic or intercultural. As a Black woman from Haiti I can’t say that I can relate all the times to African- Americans, because I have different culture. It becomes a problem when you lump all black people all white all Asians together. What happened to cultures? Dating me is not a trend, a fad . I’m not an Alien. I am a human being. God I’m a person, a woman like all women.

  8. Marsha wrote:

    >Its for this reason why I am suspicious whenever I see an interracial >couple in public. I often wonder, okay are they in it for love or just to >test out the sexual fetishes and myths we’ve been bombarded with.

    I’m not suspicious of interracial couples, but I have to admit that whenever I see a younger interracial white/black couple I think about that too (whether they are really dating the actual person or are they dating them for their perceived stereotypes).

    The reason I think this, (and I hate to say this) but in the Twin Cities where I live, it seems like the “in” thing to do (a white woman dating a black guy- especially if said black guy is a thug from the Minneapolis ‘hood.) I’ve heard a lot of white women talk about how big their partner is (barf) and then they all of a sudden start wearing their hair in corn rows like Bo Dereck (sp?) in “10″, wearing hip hop clothes, and talking in Ebonics. I’ve heard black men say they like to date white girls because, “white girls pay your bills” (barf). All those sterotypes are just so sickening but I suppose it happens.

    I’ve known some very happy black/white interracial couples, but there seems to be some people that think it’s “cool” or the “in” thing to do. (eye roll)

  9. Mark wrote:

    One of the ironies of this debate is that Simon Baker is Australian. The whole debate around race is different in Australia, being much more about Aboriginality and, sometimes, Asian-ness.

  10. Charles wrote:

    ^ Yes, I’ve heard Minneapolis is an epicenter for jungle fever.

    Well, must be nice to be young, Black & hung. The world is your sexual oyster and rainbow women your sexual buffet!

    So, let’s please drop all this mock outrage and consternation over racial and size fetishization as being a driving force behind lots of IRs here…as if women didn’t really know or care. Mating patterns and IR FAQs reveal that these are in fact all key Afrodisiacs. In fact, everytime IR differences have been examined on Oprah, racial pecker orders are always firmly established as true - unapologetically reinforcing all the old stereotypes. Cuz while bad stereotypes are obviously false, good ones are true!

  11. Ray wrote:

    ‘Ray’, a black man, who has reached his mid 30s without ever dating a black woman, offers some insight into the debate. His theory is that white women are not necessarily easy, just easier than black women.

    His take on the issue is not uncommon because like many black men, he has capitalised on the notions that eternally surround black masculinity – such as virility and being well equipped. Indeed Ray’s courting ritual is exclusively based around and dependent on it.

    While out clubbing he embarks on a series of stage-managed moves once he has a girl in his sights.He usually begins with a grand entrance; a slick move on the dance floor to grab the attention. Then in deliberately unsubtle fashion will sidle up to the target and his ice-breaker consists of grinding his hips in close proximity as she looks adoringly on.

    His technique, which is based entirely on the brazen confidence he exudes, proves highly successful with white women. The thought of trying a similar technique on black women sends shivers down his spine. “It’s not that I don’t like black women” he points out. “It is just that I have always assumed that black women would never be impressed by that sort of thing. They may think ‘ yeah you’re a good dancer - so what?’ I never had the nerve to risk it.”

  12. mr guy wrote:

    Man, no matter what happens these IR relationships involving black men and women, with white men and women, always seem to get sterotyped or looked at negatively for the most part.People hear these stories like Oprah, and it only confirms their own bias against these relationships (not that hearing anything positive would change their view).And they say things are getting better……..

  13. mr guy wrote:

    Oh and can we prevent this topic from turning into black men in IR and the bad things they do please (those no good self hating black men :) )

  14. Damie_Troy wrote:

    Why was there a encouragement that black women should date specifically white men?

    Why not encourage black women to date any race of men, especially since there is more racial baggage and hostility with those 2 specific racial groups.

  15. Daisy wrote:

    I don’t get the whole “Black Man/White Woman” thing… “Black Woman/White Man” makes far more sense to me… Possibly because of my background: My mother is mixed (mother Black and father White) and my father is White. My (Male & Female) Black (and mixed) cousins snigger (sometimes openly, though usually not often, too scared of getting caught by our grandmother) when they see a Black man with a White woman. Not if it’s just some random black dude walking around with a white chick, but sometimes it’s like so obvious that it’s just for the sake of being seen with a White chick - for instance, this fine looking brother walking around with some morbidly obese bottle blonde with a face like the back of a bus. It’s as if the guy is screaming: “Look at me! I have no self-respect! I need to sleep with White women so that I can feel good about myself!”

    Do you blame them for sniggering??

    However, if two people meet, similar interests, similar education levels and similar ranking on the looks scale then cool, hip hip for you.

    Then being of a different race shouldn’t matter…

  16. FlyWhiteGuy wrote:

    Black women are beautiful - Created by God as the original woman… Soft coils of dark hair; eyes akin to deep liquid pools of desire… Full, kissable lips; rounded curves identifying them as women - curves, beautiful curves, covered by skin that can be shaded from the deepest chocolate brown all the way to palest vanilla via copper and honey…

    Black women are beautiful - Is it any wonder that men of all races have desired them through the ages??

  17. Lyonside wrote:

    FWG:

    Nice fetish you have going there. Good luck - you’ll need it.

  18. Merq wrote:

    meh. He won’t need too much luck, I’ll say.
    For every pathetic fetishist, there’s an insecure, mixed up person only to glad to be a fetish object. Someone will, no doubt, find his brand of “poetry” incredibly flattering– despite it sounding like it was ripped from the pages of a 3rd installment in the “Mandingo” saga.
    Throw in the fact that The Big O has officially declared it a trend, and it should be a good season for “Fly White Guys” (damn… pathetic) all over the country.

    Happy hunting, FWG. Just remember not to refer to her as “Gal,” or her neighborhood as “the slave quarters.”

  19. mtevc wrote:

    did anyone ever figure that interracial couples sometimes get together because you met and fell in love and had similar beliefs??? geez…hubbie and i came from sthe ame area, neighborhood, had similar friends…both went on to different universities…but both top tier…and more importantly, we both didn’t believe in the nonsense stereotypes…by the way, i am black, and he’s white

  20. mtevc wrote:

    oh, and oprah needs to get her head examined…you should have heard what she said to mariah carey a number of years back…i like oprah, usually…think she does wonderful charity work…and has done some illuminating shows on africa, new orleans, child slavery…but when she deals with interracial and biracial issues, she comes up lacking

  21. Merq wrote:

    “you should have heard what she said to mariah carey a number of years back”

    interesting. what did she say?

  22. mtevc wrote:

    i posted a long answer but it didn’t show…oh well…oprah was interviewing mariah, and oprah seemed so perplexed that mariah didn’t grow up as a happy kid, simply because everyone must have thought she was beautiful because of her hair and coloring…and then mariah told about her neighborhood (and how she, her sister, and her brother were treated) and oprah seemed so doggone perplexed that the white folks were treating her that way…come on oprah…mariah’s descriptions were of a rather backward neighborhood…and it was obvious that mariah was earnest…and not just playing up the tragic mulatto thing…(yes, mariah can be annoying, and her family situation wasn’t the most stable)…but at that moment, i could see oprah, usually the astute and thoughtful woman, reduced to the poor dark skinned nappy headed child, and her own personal perceptions clouding how she heard things, and understood things…oprah was so shocked by mariah’s statements…COME ON!…which seemed so ridiculous for such a smart billionaire businesswoman…i could see that OPRAH was stuck, as many people are, in her own head…her childhood perceptions clouding how she saw and heard things…it was interesting…oh those intraracial politics…so annoying…i know all too well…

  23. Dr. Phildo wrote:

    Oprah’s been hangin’ around White folk and riding Tom Cruise’s nuts for too damn long. She lost touch years ago…although she never has been good at empathizing with others outside of her own personal experience.

    White women just adore her because she is a modern-day Mammy who indulges and comforts all their trifling worries in life. For she is a living embodiment of all their deepest insecurities - being fat, “unattractive” and destined to die an old spinster. There is a little Oprah inside all her fans - and that is why they cheer her on in life.

  24. mtevc wrote:

    dr phildo..you are a cruel one…But funny…i feel a hint of what you are saying, yet I am black, and I do like oprah (most of the time)…except when she’s doing those doggone celebrity shows…who cares about Travolta or Cruise…is Oprah a secret scientologist and we don’t know it???

    I do sometimes wonder about white women’s attachment to oprah…i am not as mean about her as you are…i do think she does wonderful things for katrina relief, in south africa, with habitat for humanity, etc…and she has done a ton of shows on subjects that wouldn’t get coverage…child abuse, sex slavery…and since she’s publicized and offered rewards for convicted child molesters, she’s caught 4! so, that earns her a get out of jail free card any day for all the annoying things that she may do…

  25. Daniel wrote:

    There is an interesting array of opinions here. I respect them all, but I must say I have to weigh in on the side of mtevc. I know this is a blog about interracial issues, so it isn’t surprising to hear all the focus on fetishism and trends. I think reality is far different than this discussion and I do not think anyone should make assumptions based on a couple’s appearance. Mixed-raced couples have been around as long as the human sexual drive. Unless people have been indoctrinated with a racial bias, they will likely find themselves attracted to a wide variety of potential mates. I have dated women from many races including African-American, Asian, Hispanic and Caucasian. Those of us with brains know that no two people of any race are alike. There are always going to be people who, sadly, need to see people through the superficial filter of race without regard to the individual. It seems Oprah is one of them.

  26. Joe Black wrote:

    why is it when a black guy says he loves black women he gets praised to the skies but when a white guy says it he has a fetish?? i happen to be a black guy who agrees with fly white guy - black women are beautiful. i wouldn’t to the poetry thing but the sentiments expressed are similar to mine…

  27. mtevc wrote:

    as a black woman who is married to a white man, if i thought he was with me because he had some fetish, i would be worried…and i guess fly white guy’s comments border on fetish…to me…my opinion…pleeeeeez don’t scream…love is more than sexual attraction…i liked the fact that my husband, prior to our marriage, dated women of all stripes, but women of similar religion, education, and that seemed more fair to me…that was more important to me…someone of a like mind, as far as ethics…of course everyone wants to be considered attractive, but the big full lips…geez

  28. Daniel wrote:

    Good points, both of you. I’ve never had any fetish, but I do find all types of women beautiful. I’ve never understood why some folks want to limit themselves to only one model of beauty. I have never been influenced by any type of media to accept one particular type of woman attractive. The very idea has always seemed incredibly foolish. I often wonder when people speak of such things if they have actually researched this scientifically or whether they just accept this as fact with no proof. I was born and raised in the US, attended public schools, read American Magazines and Newspapers, watched American TV, etc. I never developed any bias. I think that the source of personal bias and/or prejudice is far more complex than simply going along with thoughts presented to us by movies, TV and other forms of media. I look at most media as a very, very dim reflection of reality.
    Since this post began as a reaction to Oprah’s show on interracial topics vis-à-vis the movie, “Something New,” I think it is important to remember that she is basing her reaction on her own experience. I’m not sure how much interracial dating Oprah has been involved with, but it does seem that she has some hidden issues with the topic. I’m just still here laughing at the title of the movie which seems off the mark to me. I didn’t think it was “something new” when I married a black woman almost two decades ago. I just thought it was something good for me that I wanted. I guess I’m just not trendy enough for Hollywood.

  29. mtevc wrote:

    sorry daniel, you just aren’t cool…just an old married couple…which is a good thing…married here for 15 years

  30. bertie wrote:

    congrats Mtevc–any marriage, interracial or otherwise, posting double digits is a blessing. I’m in an intraracial marriage–we’re both black–coming up only on two years. Hopefully we’ll be sitting where you and your husband are 13 years from now.

    I think you made a very valid point about your similarities (religious, upbringing, etc) being the factor that brought you and your husband together, rather than some fixation on the “fullness of your lips”, or your “black curves,” etc. There’s nothing wrong with big lips and full hips–I am a fan of both–but reducing your “attraction to black women to those qualities is a little demeaning…In my opinion.

  31. mtevc wrote:

    hey, i’m a fan of round butts, and full lips too…as i have them…but that shouldn’t be the main attracting factor, like you say bertie…

    good luck on the marriage bertie…so few of my friends have made it into the double digits…kind of sad to see it all around us…but we are strong…and yes, as an interracial couple, i would like to say that it doesn’t matter…and for the most part, it doesn’t…but we did choose our neighborhoods carefully…that’s why we’ve lived in NYC and in north central nj and not back in our hometown of baltimore…

  32. mtevc wrote:

    forgot to say…i guess i don’t understand when people can only be attracted to one type or another…and i think that sometimes comes from a limited upbringing or mindset…for instance, in the movie something new, i think blair underwood is in the movie…and he is a hottie and so is the male lead simon baker…equally hot, but one’s black and one’s white

  33. Apple wrote:

    I disagree with Lyonside’s comment about flywhiteguy. I don’t see why speaking on his appreciation of a black woman’s beauty have to be labeled a fetish. I have seen many white men go on and on about the physical traits of Asian women without being criticized.

  34. Dave wrote:

    I disagree that if a white guy is in particular attracted to black women, that’s de facto a fetish. After all, I rarely if ever hear it called a fetish when a black man is attracted to black women. If a white guy tells me he is attracted to black women because he prefers darker skin, thick lips, more curves, or the way the contrast looks of his white skin and her dark skin, I don’t think any of that qualifies as fetish, just the visual and tactile aspects of attraction.

    Mulatto.org has a number of members who are black women in relationships with white men, and have white/black biracial children (or plan to). We also have first and multigenerational mulatto women in relationships with white men, and have or are planning to have eurafrican children with them. You can check out our active community for people mixed with european and african, black and white, and family, friends, and supporters, with over 100 members on the message board, at http://www.mulatto.org

  35. Merq wrote:

    Lyonside:

    Toldya FWG wouldn’t have much of a problem finding people to appreciate his “poetry.”

  36. bertie wrote:

    Apple and Dave–I think flywhiteguy’s comments border on fetishism because they focus almost exclusively on physical (and stereotypical) features associated with black women. And his comments overemphasized his sexual attraction to black women. (ie, “pools of desire”)–c’mon. I think alot of the posters–well at least myself–have commented negatively because there is a long history of viewing black women’s attractiveness or worth as limited to some perceived super sexuality (ie the jezebel character). Flywhiteguy’s comments seem to fall into this category–even if that wasn’t his intent. There is a lot to praise about black women–outside of their physical traits. And to be honest–there are many black women who do not have those physical traits at all–are they not worthy of praise as black women?

  37. Oh please! wrote:

    Dave please stop with your shameless advertising!!! This is the third time I have seen you shamelessly promote your pathetic site. I don’t see the moderators of MMW advertise on your site, so why are you advertising on this board especially after you and your fellow moderators slammed MMW on serveral occasions. The nerve of you to come over here!!! Please everybody, don’t listen to anything Dave has to say. He’s a color conscious fool whose just here to promote his vapid site!!

  38. Dave wrote:

    “Oh Please!” The moderators of MMW are welcome to come and promote on http://www.mulatto.org Their website is mentioned on mulatto.org regularly as it is, and almost always positively. And other websites such as TMU promote themselves on our site all the time. Finally, I’m not only here to promote our website community. I’m also showing support to mixedmediawatch, a great site which expands the space for all multiracial folks, by posting to their comments section. I don’t think I’ve ever posted a plug for http://www.mulatto.org without also including carefully considered commentary on a mixedmediawatch article.

  39. Oh please! wrote:

    Blah, blah blah.

  40. Oh please! wrote:

    Did I mention that members at Dave’s site, freely toss aroung the terms “sambo” and “griffe” when identifying persons of mixed ancestry (which is certainly within their right, though quite pathetic, in my opinion). They also believe that “mulattos” are “oppressed by blacks” as evident by the number of mulatto women who date/marry black men. They are very much against these types of relationships. But like Dave said, check out the site and watch yourself be blown away by the “intellecutual” discussion.

  41. Dave wrote:

    “Oh Please!” These are pretty bad mischaracterizations of our website. Also, I think you’re operating a bit outside the bounds of the type of civil discussion that is customary in the MMW comment section, with how some of your comments are framed. But I thank you for encouraging people to visit the website and make up their own minds.

  42. Merq wrote:

    Well, maybe he/she’s a little hostile. But dude, what you’re doing could indeed be considered spamming.

  43. mtevc wrote:

    Dave, drop the word mulatto and maybe someone might take you seriously…it’s a derogatory term…

  44. FlyWhiteGuy wrote:

    i don’t like the word mulatto either. i have 2 beautiful mixed race daughters (one is a full-time model) and i resent people comparing them to mules.

  45. mtevc wrote:

    i teach my kids that they are african american and white and they say that to people when they ask (they get all specific and start to talk about their black and lithuianian and welsh relatives…)…you should have seen our poster at heritage night at school!

  46. MARINA wrote:

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  47. K-Pow wrote:

    marina’s a troll, don’t pay her any mind. One day she will find her way back to the asylum.

  48. Horror Movie Reviews wrote:

    Hey I was just surfing around and decided to post a short comment here. I run a movie review message board and am looking for people to write reviews and contribute at my forum. You can even post a link to your blog on your signature file at my forum. It’s all good! Take care.

  49. Amalam wrote:

    i didnt get to see the show, is that really how it went down? I personally really like Oprah and I think what she does alot of good in the world. I have not yet seen Something New and maybe i will. Sanaa Lathan is a good actress to me but shes a little subdued and reserved.

    Im African American myself (female) and I have to say, I just dont see that many pairings of black women and white men,although i do see it sometimes. alot of black women just dont feel comfortable dating them given the history in this country and alot of other factors.

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