Aaron McGruder = Bill Cosby?
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As you probably know, we have spent some time discussing the Cartoon Network animated series The Boondocks on Addicted to Race. The latest episode was in honor of Martin Luther King day and not everyone liked what he had to say. (Thanks to ByronCrawford.com for this!) Here’s blogger Bomani Jones on Boondocks creator Aaron McGruder:
I won’t break down the entire plot, but the ending really didn’t sit well with me. See, in order to promote a revolutionary political party he and Huey were starting, Dr. King hired an “urban promotions company” to generate interest. Of course, this firm used a radio campaign to get people to come to a par-tay, not a political party.
There were some chuckles in that misunderstanding, but the show ended with a fiery speech from Dr. King that started with him calling the party full of people–all of whom were stereotypically “ghetto”–”ignorant niggaz.”
What followed was an extended diatribe about the ignorance of these black people, who clearly were not representative of all black folks. It seemed like a pointed attack against the underclass instead of a critique of the entirety of post-Movement black America. Just more black bourgeoise bullshit that would make Bill Cosby smile.
You can view a video of McGruder discussing the MLK episode on Nightline at Nah Right.
Vernon Jordan wrote:
Actually, I have NO DOUBT that MLK Jr woulda LAID THE SMACK DOWN on the bastard childs of the Civil Rights Era - the hip-hop generation. Men of that era like Vernon Jordan carried themselves with true class and dignity. There is a HUGE intraracial generation gap here!!! Between those who fought hard and those who reaped their gains without…
Nowadays, primary Black role models include pseudo-pimps like Ice-T and glorified gangsta rappers. More Black men are in prison than college. An unprecedented 2/3 of Black babies are born to single mamas!!! HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM! Where’s daddy? Where’s the Black leadership working to correct this - instead of scapegoating others at every turn???
Is it “bourgeoise” to call this ignorant? If so, then thank god for “bourgeoise” bruthas like Gruder, Cosby and “Million Man March” Farrakhan then. It’s about time SOMEONE speaks out and saves the community from complete self-destruction - not a bunch of neo-Con corporate raiders pimping the ghetto subculture for loot or apologetic White libs working off their guilt trips.
Aaron McGruder - keep bangin’ bro. It’s time you wrested influence on Black youth away from corporate interests and provided a more responsible alternative outlook on life.
Posted 18 Jan 2006 at 2:22 pm ¶
tony wrote:
Actually, I have seen on many forums that the last episode received a thumbs up.
Posted 18 Jan 2006 at 2:51 pm ¶
Lyonside wrote:
VJ, you sort of have me, but:
1) more children are being born to single mothers ALL ACROSS THE BOARD. Teen pregnancies are down. Overall, there are more women making a living wage and able to support a child. So single does not necessarily equal bad.
2) Farrakhan doesn’t like mixed folk. He’s a bigot and he scares me. I don’t look to him or his organization for anything.
Posted 18 Jan 2006 at 3:18 pm ¶
Kaonashi wrote:
Actually, I don’t thinkt that McGruder likes them very much either, but that’s neither here nor there.
When did this air? I thought I TIVOed it and I got the episode where they have Grandpa lie about being blind to be part of a reality show instead.
Posted 18 Jan 2006 at 4:18 pm ¶
the joy princess wrote:
I loved it and thought it was hilarious from beginning to end!
Posted 18 Jan 2006 at 5:07 pm ¶
RL_Model wrote:
This sleaze merchant’s denunciation of socially abhorrent behavior in the black community while peddling devisive hatred and misogyny in his comic is about as ironic as Bill Cosby preaching family values while fathering an illegitimate child.
Posted 19 Jan 2006 at 7:15 pm ¶
Damie wrote:
Is RL_Model actually A.D. Powell?
I recall she was very anti-black in her posts because she was obviously mistreated by them.
Posted 20 Jan 2006 at 7:54 am ¶
RL_Model wrote:
“Is RL_Model actually A.D. Powell?
I recall she was very anti-black in her posts because she was obviously mistreated by them.”
Would this be easier for you to swallow than the realization that more than one person disagrees with your opinions?
Posted 20 Jan 2006 at 8:53 pm ¶
Damie wrote:
RL_Model:”Would this be easier for you to swallow than the realization that more than one person disagrees with your opinions?”
I only see you disagreeing with my opinion. What’s ironic is you’re taking a lot of heat for your bigotry against black men.
Posted 20 Jan 2006 at 11:31 pm ¶
Lyonside wrote:
Um, I think Damie meant that as a joke.
Posted 21 Jan 2006 at 12:20 am ¶
Neptune wrote:
As much as I despise the Boondocks, I have little doubt that MLK wouldn’t be too happy where his dream has ended up.
Posted 21 Jan 2006 at 12:36 am ¶
Damie wrote:
Just my opinion, but as a fiscal conservative, I think MLK and liberals were partly to blame for that. By supporting the welfare and affirmative action systems which enabled lack of initiative which continued and grew the black and latino under-classes and urban poor. Just my conservative opinion.
Posted 21 Jan 2006 at 2:36 am ¶
John wrote:
Wow.
You can be a “fiscal conservative” and realize that affirmative action systems were meant to level the playing field.
Welfare abuse is def a problem. Imagine if there never was gov aid:
America would be an official third-world country. Hmm, I see alotta dead people; more people would resort to crime = dead victims; but hopefully we can kill those violent criminals which = dead fuckers; but surely there would be casualties, which = dead heroes… dead sick people… dead geezers…
Dead people would litter the streets! But the massive clean-up of said dead people WOULD present job opportunities. Unless we out source.
I wonder how many Americans (w/ families that benefited from aid) who contribute to this country would not exist today.
As a “fiscal conservative” you should ponder how WELFARE FOR THE RICH affects this country (off-shore tax cheaters’ paradise, etc).
Posted 21 Jan 2006 at 2:13 pm ¶
Lyonside wrote:
>By supporting the welfare and affirmative action systems which enabled lack of initiative
I don’t really want to keep up the welfare debate, but I have to say: It’s a lot more complicated than that. Most docs I’ve read still say that most welfare (recipients cash benefits, I assume, rather than WIC, food stamps, Medicaid) are white. Most people (no race given in what I was reading) stay on welfare between 2 and 5 years.
There are situations in which a head of a family (and most welfare recipients do have dependent children) can find work, but not at a living wage. To get a living wage may require study or school, and not every area has affordable child care or Head Start/Get Set programs for children under elementary school age. A living wage changes depending on where you live, and there are no real statistics. The poverty line is a joke - it includes cost of food, but not rent, clothing, education, transportation…
http://www.census.gov/hhes/poverty/povdef.html#1
http://www.center4research.org/poverty5.html
http://ethics.sandiego.edu/Applied/Poverty/index.asp
http://newmedia.colorado.edu/~socwomen/socactivism/factwelfare.pdf
My mom is an urban Head Start teacher - she’s seen it all - from grandmothers raising their grandkids on social security and young mothers and fathers working 3 jobs, to the obvious cases of “someone is getting money from somewhere, and it isnt’ the government.”
A friend works in the state welfare office and sees a general cluelessness and malaise among some of her clients, and others who both need the benefits and can likely move away from them.
And I’ve known 2 mothers on WIC who used the benefits, but still had big grocery bills for everything not covered by WIC. Food stamps benefit the agricultural industry as much as they benefit mothers and kids in the supermarket.
Posted 23 Jan 2006 at 9:12 am ¶
David Horowitz wrote:
“Most docs I’ve read still say that most welfare (recipients cash benefits, I assume, rather than WIC, food stamps, Medicaid) are white.”
In strictly absolute numbers, yes…but only because Whites are the 3/4 majority in this country. However, in proportional numbers - no, they are underrepresented, whereas some others are OVERrepresented.
Most welfare can be prevented by proper family-planning. CAREFULLY choosing the right daddy to begin with - not just a cum & run sperm-donor. And then delaying childbirth until the couple is emotionally, mentally and financially prepared.
Currently, 2/3 of Black babies and nearly 1/3 of ALL Amerian babies are born to single moms. Post-feminist empowerment…or female irresponsibility? Either way, see the connection here? It is VERY tough to raise a kid with a high-income 2-parent household alone. Take away a parent and the high-income…and then that’s where the US taxpayer has to step in to play substitute daddy…
Posted 23 Jan 2006 at 1:36 pm ¶
Lyonside wrote:
Not all single moms are 1) low-wage 2) single by choice 3) on welfare. And some single moms are single by choice and decide to raise a child and can do so - YAY FOR THEM!
Unplanned preg’s are just that. Pregancies by choice are also just that. One type or the other doesn’t condemn or increase the value of the child or the validity of the family.
>Post-feminist empowerment…or female irresponsibility?
And those are the only choices/reasons? You’re making a JUMP in connections. Actually, you sound like Rick Santorum.
Single moms will not automatically take anything more from the taxpayers. There are lots of 2-parent families on welfare too.
My mother had an unplanned pregnancy (me) in grad school. She was LUCKY in that my grandmother didn’t work outside the home and could take care of me so she could finish school (my grandfather worked 2 jobs, my grandmother kept the house and ran the at-home business). Were we poor? No - we’re the working middle class. My mom worked 2 jobs until I hit high school. My father stayed around at a distance but did contribute to my education.
And no, she never got assistance.
As to why young women in some environments have children early, there have been studies about where these mothers’ heads are at: basically, a baby can been seen as giving validation, emotional security, maturity, unconditional love (giving and receiving) in an environmental where a lot of that can be lacking. If you dont’ see much future (that high paying career, (dude, I’m a college grad and _I_ don’t have that) and the reliable spouse and that college degree), then a family may be seen as a “way out.”
Doesn’t make perfect sense and doesnt’ apply to EVERYONE from a low-income background either. Haven’t you heard that the teen preg rate is down, including in the black community?
Posted 23 Jan 2006 at 3:48 pm ¶
David Horowitz wrote:
“And no, she never got assistance”
“She was LUCKY in that my grandmother didn’t work outside the home and could take care of me so she could finish school (my grandfather worked 2 jobs, my grandmother kept the house and ran the at-home business).”
In other words, her poor dad had to work 2 jobs and mom raise you in their old age - to pay for your mother’s and sperm donor’s irresponsibility. Maybe one day when you have to raise your own granddaughter will you realize the full sacrifice and work that took on their part. No assistance? She got PLENTY of assistance - she just passed the buck to her rents instead of Uncle Sam, thankfully.
And where was your sperm donor in all this? Busy making more mini-me’s? Sorry, but I’m sure both Bill Cosby, Louis Farrakhan and Aaron McGruder would agree with me on this one. Enough with all the liberal excuses and buck-passing. Next time - use a condom…or a coathangar.
Posted 23 Jan 2006 at 5:26 pm ¶
Dan Quayle wrote:
^Was this stalker humiliated in a past post or something?
Posted 23 Jan 2006 at 9:49 pm ¶
Lyonside wrote:
DH: Guess this is the third billy goat crossing, eh?
God, you couldn’t have my own situation more wrong. Please, please, let me clue you in (or rather anyone else who cares, since obviously nothing I ever say penetrates the dark stagnant water under that bridge)…
My grandfather worked 2 jobs because he just did. My mom worked her way through school w/ a full time job. My point in saying anything about our economics was to point out that the working class and middle class can have unplanned things happen too. My grandma wasn’t old! She was in her late 40s and is still kicking it at 77, thanks for asking. She provided DAY CARE for a while, not full time care. My mom had her own place, paid her own rent, etc.
Assistance was a reference to the “taxpayers” line above… and my mother WAS AND IS a taxpayer.
You obviously didn’t read what I wrote (and I’m SHOCKED! I tell you!): my father WAS around, he just wasn’t in the household. I will say that despite his faults he knows how to act like a human being… you should probably practice doing that sometime.
>Next time - use a condom…or a coathangar.
*snicker* spoken like someone who’s never had a use for either.
Birth control fails… but you wouldn’t know anything about that, I’m sure.
My coathanger is where I hang clothes. Yours must be where you hang your dementia.
Bye Troll!
Posted 23 Jan 2006 at 10:03 pm ¶
Lyonside wrote:
DQ: The troll is just pulling my pigtails. Since I need a laugh, I kind of let him. This really is more obviously hostile than usual though - guess he’s morphed into a Rumplestiltskin caricature.
I theorize he got dragged in with the Aryan Nazi twins. Eventually he’ll get banned or bored. Until then, think of it as a observatory exercise: this is what happens when cousins marry.
Posted 23 Jan 2006 at 10:13 pm ¶
Merq wrote:
Lyonside handled that with class, I say. ‘Cause those were fightin’ words.
Posted 25 Jan 2006 at 9:19 am ¶
David Horowitz wrote:
“My grandfather worked 2 jobs because he just did”
Wow, now that’s some classic circular reasoning - aka “Christian logic.”
So, why did the burden of raising you fall all to your mom and her side of the family - and not your dad’s? And how did the lack of a father growing up affect your psychological development and relationships with men? Are you satisfied with why he “stayed at a distance?” Was your dad a player and/or not emotionally/mentally/financially prepared to raise a child in a committed relationship? Did you ever feel like yet another “absentee Black daddy with an abandoned mommy” phenomenom statistic?
Posted 25 Jan 2006 at 11:22 am ¶
Anonymous wrote:
Go sit on “a coathangar”, Dave.
Posted 25 Jan 2006 at 3:01 pm ¶
Lyonside wrote:
Aw, I feel like I’m getting interviewed by AryanQuarterly magazine…
>circular reasoning
The only thing circular is the way you keep repeating assumptions to try to get me to prove your “points.” When I fail to support you, you circle back w/ more assumptions. As for the “Christian” slam, I’ll take Christian philosophy over Assyrian Aliens any day.
My grandfather worked 2 jobs WAY before I was born - skilled blue collars often can do that with ease. I’ll be damned if I get into more details than I already have, since it really is none of your business and irrelevant to this forum.
Raising children isnt’ this horrendous BURDEN… oh wait *scrolls up**reads hanger comment* I doubt you’ve reproduced so you wouldn’t know….
>And how did the lack of a father growing up affect your psychological development and relationships with men?
Dude, I’ve already dealt w/ that and have a very healthy relationship w/ a man right now (i.e. I’m married.) Unlike some people, I don’t let one event or one person shape my entire worldview. I strive to be self-aware like that.
>you satisfied with why he “stayed at a distance?”
You know, I obviously answered this one as NO, but all YOU seem to see is a “bad black man” while I am willing to see my father as flawed and human. He’s older than my mother, was scarred from a previous marriage, and had other non-race-related issues. Since you’re obsessed with race, I’m guessing you have NO idea what I mean.
It was more as if my parents had divorced when I was an infant, but without the set visitation and groundrules of an agreement.
>Did you ever feel like yet another “absentee Black daddy with an abandoned mommy” phenomenom statistic?
I don’t even know what the hell this means? I wasn’t the first kid raised by a single mom by any means, and I sure ain’t the last. Dad wasn’t absentee - see above (and READ IT this time). My mother raised me - HOW was I abandoned again?
Posted 25 Jan 2006 at 8:54 pm ¶
Give me a break wrote:
Lyonside you’re good!!
Posted 26 Jan 2006 at 7:51 pm ¶
David Horowitz wrote:
“all YOU seem to see is a “bad black man” while I am willing to see my father as flawed”
Lol, false contradiction here? Guess that goes hand-in-hand with your circular reasoning. Meanwhile, all you see me is as a “bad racist Aryan” without seeing any of the actual flaws in others I am pointing out.
“He’s older than my mother,
Sooo what? That’s true in like ~95% of couples. Since when is THAT a problem?
was scarred from a previous marriage
Waaa-waaa! That’s a valid excuse for dumping your baby and baby-mama! Along with, it’s not you…it’s meeeee. And says him. But I’m willing to bet his ex might have a different version of that story…?
“Raising children isnt’ this horrendous BURDEN”
Well, not if you let your baby’s mama and grandparents do it for you, no.
HOWEVER, it is estimated that the cost of raising just ONE child thru age 17 today ranges from $184,320 - $269,520! And that is just in dollar terms - not to even include massive time and emotional tolls. Obviously, YOU haven’t had kids yet.
Posted 30 Jan 2006 at 1:10 pm ¶
Lyonside wrote:
DH -
Asked and answered - you don’t deserve my life story, and you won’t pay attention anyway, so I’m not going to clarify any of your assumptions. I know you’re wrong.
You totally missed the point and are now directly attacking instead of even attempting to make this relevant to the topic. You are antiSemitic. You are a racist. You are a troll. IF you aren’t, then PROVE IT and stop the ad hominum attacks.
Posted 01 Feb 2006 at 2:22 pm ¶