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1. jarvis wrote:

   Any one who want to identify as mixed can be mixedrace no matter what there racial background is.

   Posted 12 Oct 2005 at 7:09 am ¶

2. jarvis wrote:

   Any one who want to identify as mixed can be mixedrace no matter what there racial background is.

   Posted 12 Oct 2005 at 7:11 am ¶

3. Virg wrote:

   I also have thought about that exact same thing and i have always wanted to know if a white mixes with an indian person is the child a so-called bruin-ou or what exactly is the race of that so-called child. Living in South Africa has really messed us up, because we don’t really “fit in” with others due to the group areas act back in the day which created this coloured race and then seperated everybody.

   Posted 13 Oct 2005 at 3:14 am ¶

4. jonique wrote:

   I do totally agree that the person itself should decide if she or he is mixed or not or how she or he call themself, because there is absolut no way to draw a line between the races. But the society seem to await if you claim so you you should have a *good reason* to allege to be mixed.
   I think its kinda amusing how a lot of people act.when people even fall out of the classical “mixed” clichee(like having two parents of different *Race*)
   They tend to stamp you as a weirdo or poser getting mad or making fun. On the other Hand it can happend the same if you dont answer(or you cant answer it) the what are you question detailed(at it best with percents of you anchestry)

   Posted 14 Oct 2005 at 4:04 pm ¶

5. Alyssa wrote:

   Yes, what you say about our common ancestral thread is true. Whether one believes in the Big Bang theory or creationalism, we are all connected. But for thousands of years the human species has formed distinct varying characteristics such as culture, religion and language. The mixing of races (black and white, white and asian, etc.), on a larger scale only began with Imperialism and European conquest of Asia and Africa. So, when someone on the street comes upon a “black/black” person and does not assume them to be mixed, of course it is natural because they have predominantly black features. When society sees a person who is black and white, it perceives them as black. This is not right, but it happens. They are assumed black because for so long, “black” has been its own entity. The way we think is: if a person looks black, then they are black. But, for mixed people who are asian and white, their identity is more unknown, their looks more ambiguous. They are considered “more mixed” because they are the first generation of so-called “eurasian” rather than the “black/black” person whose ancestors were mixed. I am discussing this from the standpoint of society. You should be proud of your heritage whatever it may be and do not pay attention to others if they feel you are “insulting” them or their culture.
   Keep it real.

   Posted 14 Oct 2005 at 8:42 pm ¶

6. z wrote:

   My grandfather is Native American/Irish/Jewish and married my African American grandmother producing my father who married my mother, a southern girl of African American, Native American, and Caucasian decent. i usually don’t do not answer the “race” question. on those rare occassions when i am forced, i check multiracial to respect all those who came before and contributed to me being here now.

   peace,
   z

   Posted 15 Oct 2005 at 4:22 am ¶

7. 123456mini wrote:

   I don’t think euraasians looks are more ambiguous. I have friends that are half asian half white and I would never has known they were mixed unless they told me.

   Posted 15 Oct 2005 at 1:27 pm ¶

8. Anonymous wrote:

   yeah yeah, common decency aside, if a blonde person with blue eyes came up to me proudly preaching about her native american princess heritage and how down she is with her “sistas”, id laugh in her face.

   Posted 15 Oct 2005 at 7:30 pm ¶

9. Anonymous wrote:

   Listed below are links regarding discussions on and resources to this very same topic concerning how both ‘types’ and ‘chronologies’ can impact Mixed-Race people.

   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MGM-Mixed
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FGM-Mixed

   Posted 16 Oct 2005 at 4:49 pm ¶

10. monkeylumps wrote:

    Hmm…I’m accustomed to hearing Black people claiming “I have Indian/Spanish/French in me” or “there’s LOTS of white folks in my family”, or even “my sister looks just like you!” I’m a blue-eyed girl who hails from Maine, THE whitest state in the US. I’m also biracial.

    Most of the time, from what I’ve seen, this turns out to be a falsehood. The immediate families of these people look nothing like me or anyone in my family, at least not for a few generations. I’m VERY white-looking. Physically and culturally, I’m the whitest black girl I know. Not intentional, but it had a lot to do with my environment growing up. There are many dark-skinned mixed people. Halle Berry, anyone? How about Tiger Woods? However, most Americans tend to think of dark-skinned or light-brown mixed people as being simply “black”. Unfortunate but true. Tatyana Mali (Ashley) is a Black/East Indian mix but I’m sure most people look at her dark skin and see her as nothing but black, despite her long wavy hair. It is possible to be mixed but have a darker, more dominant phenotype.

    In addition, there are MANY Black people of different shades who walk around claiming that they’re part White or whatever when it isn’t true. My honest feeling is that they are ashamed of being Black. I know girls who believe that the blonde weave is Beyonce’s real hair. They also say, “I got that good hair, I got Indian/Chinese/Spanish/German in me”. If you had some “white folk” in the woodpile back in 1840, you do have some white blood, but chances are it won’t show and this country will still cling to its racist one-drop rule. Having a Jewish grandfather is more about the person’s faith than their ethnicity. I laugh when Americans talk about the “Jewish race” or the “Hispanic race”. These are NOT races, they are ethnic subcultures. Race is a myth anyway, because there is only the human race, which is a vast array of physical variations.

    Posted 22 Oct 2005 at 12:25 am ¶

11. Lyonside wrote:

    >In addition, there are MANY Black people of different shades who walk around claiming that they’re part White or whatever when it isn’t true.

    Um, there are multigeneration mixed folk (multigens) who have those physical differentiations, indicating that yes, they ARE Part-white, or part-Native, or part-Asian. But their cultural identity is African-American, because their parents and grandparents are identified as such. It’s a result of one-droppism and segregation, so maybe you wont’ eb able to tell whether it’s “true” or not. People who are first-generationally mixed shouldn’t stand in judgement of those who are multigen mixed.

    Posted 26 Oct 2005 at 12:55 pm ¶

12. IN NYC wrote:

    Yes, for the record, I do have people in my family (I’m black of caribbean descent btw) with light skin, blonde hair and blue eyes with two “black” parents…..I don’t know about Maine, but where I’m from you see it quite a lot. As for Tatyana, there are Africans from Ethiopia, Somalia and Eritrea and other parts of Africa who also have long wavy hair–and people from Southern India who look just like her in terms of features & skin colour. Appearance is NOT always the best way to determine someone’s racial mix.

    And Beyonce is definitely mixed with something–as are most black Americans…..Just look at her complexion…..

    Posted 01 Nov 2005 at 3:40 am ¶

13. Lisa wrote:

    I’m half white, half chinese and my son is a quarter chinese (with a caucasian dad). But this is what’s wierd: on census reports my parents were chinese and caucasian, their daughter is chinese (having to choose one) and their grandson is white again. Miraculous how the races just disappear and reappear like that, huh!

    Posted 05 Nov 2005 at 11:43 pm ¶

14. Listen wrote:

    monkeylumps,

    you’re the “whitest black girl you know?” You’re “Very white-looking?” Who cares!! Grow up and put you mind on something more important like your education or world peace. At the end of the day no one really cares what your ethnic background is or how you look, so long as you treat people with respect.

    And yes we all know that there are some african-americans who deal in self-hatred and have a negative image of black people, black culture, and “black looks.” They are a product of the racist notions and ideology of white european colonists. There was and to an extent still is a premium on white skin, blond hair, and blues eyes. The fact that you are excited by the fact that you are the “whitest black girl you know”…”Very white looking” “a blue-eyed girl” from the “whitest state–Maine” is evident of the great value YOU and others still put in white looks.

    Posted 09 Nov 2005 at 8:21 pm ¶

15. Homeopathetic wrote:

    I’d say if you’re 1/8th or less of something (unless possibly Black), that portion is typically relatively genetically insignificant. For example, people often resemble their parents, sometimes resemble their grandparents - but rarely resemble their great-grandparents any (unless they’re Black). Therefore, one might omit that X heritage in favor of their Y majority upon simple introductions and say “eh…I’m “Y”.”

    Posted 15 Nov 2005 at 9:22 am ¶

16. Jim Still Crows wrote:

    Monkeylumps, congrats on that whole blue-eyed, “whitest black girl you know” thing. Looks like it’s working out swell for you.

    Posted 20 Nov 2005 at 1:56 am ¶

17. who cares!! wrote:

    Who cares if Beyonce is mixed with something. She looks pretty black to me. There are a lot of light skinned African-Americans in this country. She’s not special. Yes their light skin is evident of mixture way back in the day, but that comes with the territory of being an African-American, the descendants of slaves specifically female slaves who were sexually abused and raped by their white slave masters. I can’t believe that in the year 2005 we are still tying ourselves in knots over “race,” over whose “really black” and whose “really not black.” It’s funny how this discussion always seems to pertain to persons who are mixed with black but other biracial people (people who are not mixed with black) never tie themselves up in knots over their looks. I don’t see any threads on the internet debating the racial background or looks of people like Russell Wong or Keanu Reeves. But its always us black people and/or those of us who are mixed with black who tend to have these long belaboured discussions on who “looks black” and who doesn’t. There is still a lot of people in this county and in this world for that matter who have a negative image of black people and unfortunately us black/mixed black people are in the forefront perpetuating the very negative notions and attitudes we should all be fighting against. Whether you are light or dark whether you have kinky hair, curly hair, or wear wigs like Beyonce, you are a human being, worthy of respect just beacuse you are born.

    Posted 28 Nov 2005 at 5:16 pm ¶

18. good god people wrote:

    For the record, TECHNICALLY, Beyonce IS mixed. (Her mother is Creole-which I guess could be considered a race unto itself…) In case people haven’t noticed, pretty much ANYONE can “look” African-American because of the ridiculously mixed racial history they have in America. But whatever, Lord knows Black people don’t need to divide amongst ourselves any further…I’m a Black person of Caribbean/African-American lineage and I’m amazed at how “melanin-obsessed” Americans are. We have a culture that is OBSESSED (and not in a good way) with color and race. Everyone is supposed to be able to fit into a “color box” and when they don’t the whole system goes haywire. Maybe people should go by ethnicity as opposed to race, because as many people in the media have shown, color is not a good indicator at all of someone’s actual background…

    Posted 06 Dec 2005 at 11:39 pm ¶

19. I said wrote:

    Ethnicity would only create the same problem because many people are not only mixed with many races, but many ethnicities too.

    Posted 09 Dec 2005 at 3:41 pm ¶

20. Anonymous wrote:

    Okay so “TECHNICALLY” Beyonce is mixed.

    I’m sure the Klu Klux Klan and neo-nazis will take that into consideration the next time they plan a race war.

    Posted 13 Dec 2005 at 2:25 pm ¶

21. --- wrote:

    There also seems to be a fad with people saying “100% (x)”. I am sure that hardly anybody is 100% anything due to migration and colonisation etc. So even though we may be part of one predominant race, that would make us all mixed in terms of race…

    Posted 19 Dec 2005 at 6:05 am ¶

22. monkeylumps wrote:

    **sighs loudly* I knew this would happen. Whether you’re in agreement or not, it’s clear that many of you don’t have the ability to respond in a civilized manner. All you know how to do is attack other people who have a different opinion from your own.

    Lyonside: Very well put, and I’m not standing in judgement of anyone. I’ve just noticed this very often. I’m sorry if I offended you. *smile*

    Jim Crow Still Crows: Hmm…nice handle. I could see right through your sarcasm, however.

    Listen: No, YOU listen. You don’t know me personally so think before you type. That was clearly a knee-jerk reaction to my statement and it is also evidence of your own insecurity. You’re pissed off because I said I have blue eyes & fair skin and I’m from Maine. Wow, I didn’t know that describing myself would cause so much hostility. I don’t consider myself better than anybody else, as you seem to think, so maybe YOU’RE the one who has some growing up to do. Not only are you insecure but you’re immature too. Yes, Maine is the whitest state in the US, besides Vermont. New England has a small minority population but they are surprisingly friendly with the minorities who do inhabit those states. There are bigots in every state, but for the most part it’s a pretty nice place to live and the people are respectful of one another. I have also lived in other states and I have traveled to other countries throughout the world. I am well read & well traveled, so trust me, I have met people from all walks of life and different backgrounds. My mother happens to be a white woman, I love her to death, but I don’t think ALL white people are terrific so don’t twist my words. It is so obvious that you’re insecure or else why would my description of myself prompt that response? Oh, I’m so sorry that you were offended by my description of my light skin & blue eyes but it was only a description, nothing more. I never said anything unkind about dark-skinned Black women, as you seem to suggest here. You’re projecting your own feelings onto me all because of how I described myself. Maybe I could’ve worded it in a more politically correct way but otherwise it was just a description and you read too much into it. I’m mixed, I’m proud of it, and I never said I was white. I said I look white & I live in a mostly white environment! That doesn’t make me *special* but it is still worth sharing. Never once did I claim to be superior in any way. I was simply talking about my own observations & experiences. You need to get over yourself and be more tolerant of people who have different experiences, opinions, etc.

    Posted 19 Dec 2005 at 3:29 pm ¶

23. Listen wrote:

    Since you know for sure that I’m immature I’m sure you also ASSUME that I’m black, monkeylumps. Well I’m not.

    And for the record, I could care less how benevolent and accepting the “white” people of Maine are towards the few blacks that live amongst them. They are suppose to be accepting. Its called treating people with dignity and respect. I didn’t realize you were so sensitive, sweetheart. If you don’t want to hear counterarguments THEN DON’T POST ON PUBLIC MESSGAE BOARDS. Its funny how you labeled those of us who argured against you uncivilized. That sounds like a pretty knee jerk reaction to me since you don’t know us personally. But I don’t know, perhaps the people of Maine are born with special powers that allows them to see through computer screens.

    Posted 19 Dec 2005 at 5:44 pm ¶

24. X wrote:

    Well whatever anyone is, despite of their ethnic background, race, sex, religion, we still all have the same needs and should all respect that despite appearences and cultural backgrounds, we are all the same inside. Sounds corny, but it’s true.

    Posted 21 Dec 2005 at 9:51 am ¶

25. creole wrote:

    Anon said, “Okay so “TECHNICALLY” Beyonce is mixed.

    “I’m sure the Ku Klux Klan and neo-nazis will take that into consideration the next time they plan a race war. ”

    When was the last one?
    The kkk has been, fortunately, pretty much decimated in recent decades by legal means. Ditto the neo-nazis. “White racism” is so impugned by the media (rightly so) that legitimate white complaints (not so rightly so) are relegated to that heap, while blacks blame everything they possibly can on whites and we are not supposed to defend ourselves or else we’re “racists.”
    Writing as a white person who has recently discovered creole, black ancestry, I am a bit split here. I didn’t mind learning about the black ancestry–much of its was quite positive, stable relationships.
    What is see in this country are cities pretty much taken over by blacks. Neither I, nor most whites I know, can go in our old neighborhoods anymore. I was almost raped and murdered myself, years ago, and many friends and family I know have been victimized by blacks. Blacks are rarely victimized by whites. Yeah, I can bring out the stats if you want, but is it really necessary?

    Kamau Kambon , who while speaking to a panel at the law school of Howard University (a black school in Washington, DC) said that the white race should be exterminated. And there’s always Farakhan.
    Race/ethnic wars are a worldwide phenomenon. I am all for living in peace, but ALL races must accept responsibility that we ALL have these tendencies–to strongly prefer our own “people.” It’s too bad, but that’s the way it is. The people who overstep the boundaries are the exception, and even if they are happy with their choices, don’t count on their descendents being happy. Groups seems to reform around “ethnicity” and other concerns.

    Posted 31 Dec 2005 at 3:15 pm ¶

26. Yawn wrote:

    Pity you creole…you can’t return to your old neighborhood because (in your words) it has been overrun by blacks… well how do you think Native Americans feel!!!

    You claim you almost got raped (by a black man I assume, as if only black men committ rape)…yeah, you can whine about the “atrocities” done to you and “your white race” but African-Americans can’t speak of the atrocities committed against them for HUNDREDS OF YEARS. We’re criticized if we mention the words slavery, jim crow, and the residue effects of such incidious institutions.

    Yes crime is high in the urban areas, and are predominately committed by African-Amercians and Latinos. Ironically, most of those crimes are committed against other Blacks and Latinos. As an African-American woman, I myself am disgusted by the state of black people in general…the high crime rate, the low employment, gang violence, teen pregnancy etc. but lets not minimize the effect white racism has had on all minorities most specifically Black Americans, just beacuse some whites are victims of crime.

    Posted 03 Jan 2006 at 3:03 pm ¶

27. HI wrote:

    I’m African-American and I have never heard of Kamau Kambon. I have heard of Farakhan, but I personally don’t agree with his politics. I think that is the mistake, creole, you and most whites are making. You think all black people are alike, that we speak alike, dress alike, and share the same polictial and religious beliefs. Black people are not monolithic. Don’t generalize, because you obviously don’t know us.

    Posted 03 Jan 2006 at 3:06 pm ¶

28. Hey creole wrote:

    Any educated person knows that statistics only tell half the story.

    Also, try writing as a human being period, and not as a “white person.” You might just develop a heart.

    Posted 05 Jan 2006 at 2:41 pm ¶

29. Anonymous wrote:

    Yeah, people might cling to those who are culturally and religiously similar, but that does not mean that we should not respect each other.

    Posted 05 Jan 2006 at 2:44 pm ¶

30. Whatever wrote:

    So, because you have recently “discovered creole and black ancestry,” you’re now an expert on black issues and black angst? How very paternalistic of you creole.

    Posted 05 Jan 2006 at 2:46 pm ¶

31. bina wrote:

    I am mixed race.My dad is from Jamaica and my mother is English. But I would consider myself more white than black not because of my colourings but because I live my mum and in a white majority area. So I would say that it really depends on what environment you grow up in.But saying that I do still consider my self to be mixed race when people ask what i am.
    Also I find there isn’t really that much resources on the internet or in general about being mixed race which is a shame because it really interests me.
    Also what race was the singer Aaliyah i heard she was Asian and african but dont no if that is true??

    Posted 24 Jan 2006 at 8:04 am ¶

32. oh please wrote:

    Aaliyah was black. Her mother is black and her father is black. I lived in Chicago were she spent a small portion of her childhood. Those rumors out there that Aaliyah was mixed are false. They’re just rumors put out by some biracial groups because they believ that any black person with long hair and fine features must be mixed, and this is simply not true. You can’t base another person’s racial background on appearance. Yet many biracial people seem to think you can, that biracial people have a specific look. Such thinking indicates just how ignorant and uneducated some biracial people are.

    And by the way, I’m biracial.

    Posted 24 Jan 2006 at 1:19 pm ¶

33. bina wrote:

    Ok Ok. Its just that on her Aaliyah album theres a bit dedicated to her gran and theres a picture of her and she looked very light skinned to me thats all.
    But anyways if you think about no one can be completely one race.In the past people have moved all over the world and mixed with different cultures etc. All i can say is you definatley can’t put a person into one ethnic group it would be too difficult to do so unless you knew everything about everyone of your ancesters dating back hundreds of years. Perhaps the best thing is not to catergorise anyone,or just be want you want to be and thats that??

    Posted 25 Jan 2006 at 8:28 am ¶

34. oh please wrote:

    That’s all good and well, but neither Aaliaya nor her family ever indicated that she or they were racially mixed with asian, so there is no point in even discussing her in such terms. If she or her family had said that they were mixed with asian then the discussion would be warranted, but to assume that she is mixed with asian or anything else for that matter simply on the basis of skin color, hair length, and facial features is foolish. Let people claim their mixed heritage, lets not assign it to persons in order to shore up our own oftentimes stereotypical and faulty notions concerning “race.”

    Posted 25 Jan 2006 at 2:57 pm ¶

35. bina wrote:

    I think because the way people have become so aware of their roots etc in recent times it is often inevitable that you wonder about other peoples backgrounds and so on.But not in a bad way though. Maybe by discussing it people will be able to accept eachother more. Why is it so wrong to be interested.

    Posted 25 Jan 2006 at 4:22 pm ¶

36. Oh please wrote:

    I didn’t say that is was wrong to be interested in another person’s ethnic background, though I don’t understand why another person’s ethnic background is so important to you or anyone else, especially when that person has not claimed a biracial background.

    Some people within the mixed raced community (and I am really speaking of persons who are mixed with black and white) are forever accusing “monoracial blacks,” as they term it, of latching hold of high-profiled “mulattos” and assigning such persons a black identity. However it seems to me that many biracial people (black mixed with white) are guilty of the same thing. I’ve been on other mixed raced message boards where members have argued how Will Smith and Jada Pickett Smith are not black but “mulatto,” how Aaliyah, Malcolm X and even Dr. Martin Luther King were not “truly black” but “mulatto.” Such statemenst are ridiculous especially considering that none of the above mentioned people have ever publically claimed a mixed-raced identity. Sure, Malcolm X had “light skinned” supposedly because his maternal grandother was raped by a white man, but Malcolm X never publically claimed a mixed raced background so why should we assign it to him if he never claimed. Sure for historical purposes and for those interested in another’s racial backgrund it might be pertinent, but I’m sorry I have too many other important things to do in my life than scrutinize another person’s geneology. If they claim a mixed raced identity then I will honor and respect that identity. But if a person has not claimed such an identity them why assign it?? Apparently the fact that Aaliya had “light skin” (which is a relative term) and long hair was not compelling enough for her to claim a mixed identity. Aaliyah was a singer of African-Amercian descent who dated African-American men and had an affinity for African-American culture. What “non-African” blood she might have had coursing thru her veins because of romantic relationships her ancestors MIGHT have had generations back apparently was not important to her. I saw her mother, father, brother, aunts, uncles, and cousins. They were and still are black, Afro-Americans.

    Posted 25 Jan 2006 at 5:57 pm ¶

37. Lunargoddess2002 wrote:

    Creole is not a race. Creole simply means that you have french descent. Doesn’t make you a race. As far as beyoncé being mixed, I don’t see her being that way. She identifies herself as a black woman so that is what she is. Let the woman be what she identifies herself as. By the way people, all french people aren’t white people. I live in France and since you have several territories and departments that are not on the mainland europe and that happen to be in the caribbean, off the african coast and in polynesia, you need to realize that what you think is a french person isn’t a white person. Broaden your horizons and stop worrying about Beyoncé and what she is or may be. In the long run, Beyoncé isn’t that important and frankly, I could care if she is green. Identify yourself and stop letting others do it for you. Be proud of who and what you are. I have white ancestory but I consider myself black. I have two black parents. Some people don’t identify themselves that way. Maybe we should be having a discussion on racial parity instead of whether or not Beyoncé is black or not.

    Posted 04 Feb 2006 at 12:01 pm ¶

38. Erika wrote:

    Well, actually I read on another message board that on pbs a scientist did DNA studies on Oprah Winfrey, Chris Tucker, Ema Mae Jemison and many other Blacks. He found out that the average Black American is of 20% “white” and atleast 5% Native American. One of the Black Americans even found out she was 16% Chineese. Basically, when you think about it, these results make sense. A pure African woman arrives from Africa, is raped and has a baby. This woman has a child with a full blooded African or maybe he is also bi-racial. That baby may just have a child with an African and then this baby has a child by the slave master. So, I guess the cycle would continue untill every one is “mixed up.”

    So, in reality if people want to get technical most “bi-racial” individuals who have one “Black” parent and one “White” parent are probably more white than Black. Have you ever saw an individual whose parent is full blooded African (whatever that is) and the other parent is white. They really don’t look like the typical A_A and White mix. IMO, they look more African than a blend of features on average.

    This whole race thing is non-sense anyway but it is good for any person Black or white to know the history of their family.

    Posted 14 Feb 2006 at 12:48 pm ¶

39. Leigh-Anne wrote:

    Hey, I know where monkeylumps is coming from. I don’t really look like the race I identify as either, but that doesn’t stop me from identifying as that race. I know who I am. If you can’t recognise and respect that I feel sorry for you. But that doesn’t mean I must change who I am and wear a label YOU feel more comfortable with.

    Posted 15 Feb 2006 at 5:55 am ¶

40. Anon wrote:

    It doesn’t really matter to me what label one wears, so long as you respect other people. Unfortunately many persons of diverse backgrounds tend to denigrate their non-white parent/ancestrors. They cling to their “diversity” to try and proove their superiority to their monoracial (read: “black”) counterparts. Its this type of sentiment that I find sickening, and this is coming from someone who has a diverse ethnic background.

    Posted 15 Feb 2006 at 3:46 pm ¶

41. shanese wrote:

    hi, i agree. we all come from some form of mixed races. no one is all one race. for instance i am blk, white, and native american. if you look at my myspace you can see the pics. my mom is a little dark than me, and my dad although caramel also has white mixed in him to. his hair is so curly most people say he has a curly perm or jerry curl. lol. i am light and i have brown hair. i am mixed through genes but not through one white or one blk, or one white and one native american and blk, etc. i have mixed genes this is seen in me. a lot of people don’t classify me as other my friends because my parents put on documents of being black. i put other. i embrace all my races. a lot of people didn’t think i had curly hair but they were mistaken as well. some people think i am spanish the list goes on. but i am mixed and i know my races. also, if your hair is longer, curly, your skin is light, your features aren’t as african you are mixed lineage…i don’t care what anyone says…it is a proven fact just like evolution…take the dna and you’ll see it…

    Posted 17 Feb 2006 at 10:38 pm ¶

42. Veronica wrote:

    I agree with many of the comments listed above……personally i feel we as blacks do too much worrying over silly stuff such as race……skin pigmentation….hair texture etc…..you are what you are and there’s no changing that….sure we are all “mixed” in some way shape or form….but to think it gives you some type of leverage in society is ignorant….because it doesnt.

    BTW why do ppl keep bringing up Beyonce……never in a million years would i ever doubt her ethnicity…..she looks like a regular black woman to me…..her skin is brown ( i dont consider her light skinned….neither is Halle Berry to me) , her hair is dark as well as her eyes…..so what’s the big deal??….am i the only one that doesnt see how she looks mixed?…lol

    Posted 19 Feb 2006 at 10:35 pm ¶

43. hmmm... wrote:

    I agree with you Veronica, until I started reading post on this and other mixed raced boards I never considereed Beyonce “mixed.” But apparently her mother has publicly stated that she herself is Creole. Apparently she takes pride in that, and so now people of mixed ancestry are claiming Beyonce as mixed. I think its all very foolish. But there are some mixed persons who believe that any person with “light” skin and keen features must have some European ansetry in them. These people are horrible ignorant, a trip through Africa would make them understand that Europeans do not have a monopoly on long hair and keen features. It funny how if a “black” perosn has narrow nose and thin lips it is assumed that that person is mixed, yet if a European has broad features, swarthy skin, and/or fuzzy curly hair they are NEVER assumed to be mixed instead they are “Greeks” “Italians” etc. etc.

    Posted 21 Feb 2006 at 5:37 pm ¶

44. Leigh-Anne wrote:

    In my opinion (and relax people, this is just my opinion) I don’t think anyone who has two black (or white or whatever) parents is bi-racial. I think mixed is when your parents are of two different races. You could have blonde hair and blue eyes and skin that blisters in the sun and still be black. There’s no shame to being black (why are people embarassed to say they’re black / part-black)?? Just because once upon a time, many many moons ago someone in your ancestral background shagged someone of a different race and now you look mixed it doesn’t mean you’re bi-racial. You’re Black. Or White. Or Asian. Or whatever. Deal with it, don’t try and run from it.

    Posted 22 Feb 2006 at 7:17 am ¶

45. rosiey wrote:

    i really feel you guys need to grow up does all this matter, why not just chill out and be yourslves!
    y do u feel the need to label!
    im a HALF-CAST girl and i dont care!!!! i know that will affend you lot im not bothered if ppl call me that call me whatever im just a girl !
    you ppl need to get a life you only have one just live it OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    Posted 22 Feb 2006 at 6:12 pm ¶

46. Creole-- Brandon Roy-Joseph wrote:

    Hello all,

    I myself am a man of Creole descent. Creole is NOT a race. Beyonce, along with actor Robert Richard, are Black Americans first! Who cares how light, or what hair textures creoles are. We vary in an array of skin tones. Both my parents are of creole descent, so technicaly I am pure Creole, however I am of a red complexion; darker than Beyonce who’s mother is only of Creole descent. To me, Beyonce, is a Black womoan. Creole simply refers to the Gumbo Culture of the inhabitants of Colonial Louisiana. I am black. However I have lots of french, indian, native american, and spanish anscestors. Creole ONLY refers to my culture, which is different that stereotypical AFRO-AMER culture. I am Roman Catholic, my parents speak French-Creole, and I enjoy and know how to cook authentic creole cuisine. My gr-grandparents as were Beyonce’s, were from the era which gave the creoles a certain place in social system. This is not the case today. I realize that in the wake of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita many people have become obessed with our seemingly vanishing culture. But do your research, Creole simply means born in a region other that your parents. The first creoles were the white descendants of European Nobles born in La. So, by definition a creole would be white. The term creole is relatively new with respect to persons of african ancestry (Beyonce). The original terms: quadroon, octoroon, mulatto, griffe, and several others are the terms that refer to the races of the original “creoles.” Modern day black creoles…the descendants of les gens de couleur libre, are in essence Afro-American, as this is what society sees us as. My culture defines me as a person, who cares about race?

    Posted 23 Feb 2006 at 11:22 am ¶

47. Nicky wrote:

    My grandmother looks white but she is not white.My mother looks mixed but there’s no way I am going to say that because my mother looks mixed that i,too,am mixed.I am black.I am very dark skinned with kinky hair broad nose and thick lips.I am very proud to be an African American.My people has gone through so much but the African culture never got lost.You know what I admire all those Africans who got kidnapped by the whites,were taken away from their families,taken to a new country where the pale faces lived,hearing a language they never heard before,being denigrated to less than human,but they managed to survive in the new country,they started new families,they taught themselves the new language,got over their many traumas,they never lost their culture and their dignity.That’s what makes me proud to be an AFRICAN.They are the victims of this story and the whites are the bad guys.Amen to that!

    Posted 28 Feb 2006 at 12:32 pm ¶

48. Jesus Freak wrote:

    All I know is Aalyiah is up in heaven saying Ginuwine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I wish Ginuwine and Aalyiah could of had Kids!

    Posted 02 Mar 2006 at 1:45 am ¶

49. jESUS FREAK wrote:

    hOW WOULD TWO kIDS LOOK? iF THEY HAD gINUWINE AND aALYIAH dNA!

    Posted 02 Mar 2006 at 12:51 pm ¶

50. BBBB wrote:

    What a stupid question(about aaliyah and ginuwine)!!…all of a sudden people seem to be turning this debate in to a joke….or a way of preaching….(Nicky)the question was actually ‘at what point does somebody stop being classed as mixed’…not the history of africa and how bad white people are. I no this is something you feel strongly about and you have every right to express it, but i think perhaps you have entered the wrong debate??!!

    Posted 02 Mar 2006 at 4:49 pm ¶

51. mimi wrote:

    i think its a shame so many people is so color struck that makes no type of sense and mixed people just because a black person has light skin with long hair it dont mean their half white, damn

    Posted 02 Mar 2006 at 4:51 pm ¶

52. sammy smith wrote:

    ginuwine and aalyiah did have kids you fool! call your self a fan u dont no nething ….they had 2 kids (both girls) and there both stunning … you really need to look up the facts mate…. oh and aalyiah was mixed race her grandad was half irish .
    you lot arnt fans …not at all!!!!!

    Posted 03 Mar 2006 at 7:29 am ¶

53. georgie wrote:

    wots mutalo mean??? does mixed race only appliy to people of black and another mix im swedish and english so wot am i???

    Posted 03 Mar 2006 at 7:30 am ¶

54. georgie... wrote:

    if you don’t know what you are then you have problems. Why don’t you ask your parents. YOU ARE WHITE. YOU ARE CONFUSING NATIONALITY WITH “RACE.” GROW UP AND GET A LIFE!!

    Posted 03 Mar 2006 at 3:08 pm ¶

55. Creole-- Brandon Roy-Joseph wrote:

    From a creole perspective (I don’t know if this is the case in common American thought) A mullatto is a person of mixed African and White European descent, les mullatres. Les mullatres are the basis for the other mixed persons. A griffe is a child of a mullatto and an african, 3/4 african. A quadroon is the child of a mullatto and a white peron, 3/4 white…and so on and so on. Of coure, in Colonial Louisiana this way of categorizing people bacame confusing at times, especially for the Anglos in the colony–not for les gens de couleur libres (free people of color). Eventually the term creole was picked up. However places in the West Idies—Saint Domingue (where my family originates–now called Haiti) mullatto, along with the term metis (hybrid), is used to define people of mixed race. Although I believe that the child of a black and white person can be called a mullatto-not everyone can be called creole because La. Creole refers to a culture not a RACE. Au Revoir!

    Posted 05 Mar 2006 at 2:22 pm ¶

56. Shanda Smalls wrote:

    American Blacks are by placement here in the U.S. are all mixed, that is why there are 32 shades of Black folks.. all mixed with Islanders, Latin, Native American, Euorpean, & Asian. Genes are recessive it is entirely possible to have 8 generations worth of charatherics show up later…

    For, example I went to my family reunion and there was a woman there who was a spliting image of our founding ancestory (A Gullah woman of French & West Indian). The oil painting was from 1790 and this was in 2002. I actually put my foot in my mouth (before realizing it was an ancestor painting) and asked “who was that woman… and why was her picture up”. Splitting image, all that to say, there is no time frame on when genes trickle down.

    For the record I only claim Native American b/c it was on both sides of my family fairly recently, my grandfather was 75% (born to a Blackfoot Indian father and a Cherokee & West Indian mother). My family has French as well but I don’t claim that b/c it’s over 6 generations back. I am brown skin with somewhat unremarkable ambigous facial features. My family has very, very dark (Alex Wekk) Black and very very pale (Faith Evans Beige) it’s all a “crap shoot” throw the gense around and see what you get.

    My fiancee’ is 1/2 Korean and Black and I am Black/Native American and I am also a Hindu. Can you imagine the “worldly-ness” of my children? =-) I am all about inclusion and learning about others, I am in the process of adopting and South Indian Asian child (amd would also, like to adopt a Korean child) my children will grow up in a Unitarian church, but go to their grandmothers Korean church as well… I beleive unless you are emershed and living in the different cultures of these races, what is there to claim a color? Some hair? A nose?

    If you are multi-racial but only know about one culture why claim anything else. I claim what I know, what I live, read, eat, and surround myself with everyday not just one month a year. That’s why I claim what I do and how I came to decide what things I would claim. I read and participate in things that affect Native American communities, I visit and stay on resevations when I have the oppurtunity. My grand father was strong in his Native American culture and practices… hence I am as well.

    Claim what you know, it’s that simple to me.

    Oh, and what is this thing about Aalyiah having such long hair (that she had to be Asian)… it grew over time, remember when she first came out she had a shoulder length bob… and then wore weave falls as her own hair grew out… anyone who can afford a personal hair stylist can have long hair… no matter how wavy or nappy. Hell, even Beyonce’ Knowles mother Tina was quoted as saying Beyonce was very disapppointed with the texture of her natural hair. Hair is nothing that MONEY can’t make look better!

    Posted 13 Mar 2006 at 8:18 pm ¶

57. jESUS FREAK wrote:

    sammy smith, you want to make a Bet, Aaliyah and ginuwine, never
    had kids you don’t know what you talking about!

    Posted 09 May 2006 at 10:04 am ¶

58. Anonymous wrote:

    yeah

    Posted 13 May 2006 at 5:25 am ¶

59. Anonymous wrote:

    I AM A MIXED RACE PERSON, WHICH I PROUDLY CALL MYSELF, I AM NOT FULL WHITE I AM NOT FULL BLACK BUT A COMBINATION. MY DAD IS WHITE N MY MOM IS BLACK JAMAICAN, THATS IT. I DONT GET THIS CRAP ABOUT HAVING E.G. A BLACK PERSON HAVING A WHITE GREAT GRANDAD OR A MIXED ONE IT DOESNT MAKE U MIXED RACE. YES IT IS A PRT OF U. IT ONLY COUNTS IF E.G. YOUR GRANDPARENTS WHERE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT RACES AND THIS WENT ON TO YOUR PARENTS WHO ARE ACTUALLY MIXED, THAT WILL MAKE U MIXED. ALSO IF I HAD A CHILD WITH SOMEONE WHO IS CHINESE, INDIAN OR SOMEONE WHO IS NOT PART BLACK N PART WHITE THEN MY CHILD WILL B MIXED. BUT 2 SAY DAT I HAVE A BABY WITH A BLACK OR WHITE MAN, MY BABY WILL B MORE THAN DA OTHER NOT MIXED, JUS BECAUSE THEY HAVE ASTUPID QUARTER OF WHITE, ASIAN ETC BLOOD IN THEM. Y ARE PEOPLE 2 AFRAID 2 SAY THAT DA R BLACK OR WHITE. DIS STUPID THING ABOUT HAVE 1/4 1/8 ETC OF A DIFFERENT RACE MAKES DEM MIXED IS STUPID. LOOK AT THE QUEEN SHE IS WHITE BUT SUM OF HER ANCESTORY HAS RUSSIAN HERITAGE SO R U GONNA CALL HER MIXED. U R ONLY MIXED IF U R EQUALLY HALF SOMETHING OF HAVE DIFERENT RACES FROM UR PARENTS. E.G. A MUM WHO IS HALF BLACK/ HALF WHITE AND FATHER WHO IS HALF CHINESE AND HALF INDIAN. DIS DOM SHIT ABOUT BEYONCE BEING MIXED IS STUPID I BET ALL MIXED PEOPLE LIKE ME R LAUGHING COS IF HALLE BERRY ( A FULLY MIXED WOMAN) IDENTIFIES HERSELF AS BLACK, THEN HOW CAN BEYONCE B MIXED RACE IF SHE HAS NO OTHER RACE OR A STUPID 1/4 IN HER. SORRY BUT I THINK ONLY ME N OTHER MULLATO CAN UNDERSTAND N NOT OTHER BLACK OR WHITE, ASIAN CAN UNDERSTAND.

    BEYONCE IS A BLACK WOMAN, A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT RACE FRM HER ( WOW) ANCESTORS MAKE HER MIXED. NO! NOT ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE CHARCOAL BLACK, THERE R DIFFERETN COMPLEXIONS, SHE ISNT EVEN DAT LIGHT 2 IDENTIFY AS MIXED. SHE ISNT OLIVE LIKE MOST MIXED OR LIGHTER, SHE HASNT GOT N E WHITE FEATURES, HER HAIR ISNT A MIXTURE OF TEXTURES, HER DAD IS BLACK N HER MUM IS BLACK N DATS DAT.
    PLEASE DONT PUT HER INTO A CATERGORY WITCH SHE ISNT COS ITS UNTRUE, N HARSH 2 BLACK PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING STEREOTYPED DAT THEY ALL HAVE DARK BLACK SKIN, BIG FACIAL FEATURES, SHORT OR NAPPY HAIR. MY FRIEND IS BLACK, BOTH PARENTS ARE N SHE IS LIGHTER THAN ME N IM LIGHT OLIVE.

    NO 1 CAN DETERMINE WOT U R JUS BY LOOKING AT U BECAUSE EVERY1 HAS DIFFERENT TONES. HERES 1 FOR EVERY1 HERE, SUM WHITE POEPLE HAVE A TAN DOES DAT MAKE THEM LATIN ( EVEN THOUGH LATINS R WHITE), OR MIXED RACE. LOL.

    OVERALL, BEYONCE IS BLACK ( HER PARENTS R BLACK)
    WILL SMITH IS BLACK SO WOT IF HE IS LIGHT HES NOT THAT LIGHT
    JADA PINKETT SMITH BLACK
    HALLE BERRY MIXED RACE
    AALIYAH BLACK DONT EVEN TRY 2 BEG IT DATS SHE WOS MIXED.

    NOT ALL BLACK PEOPLE HAVE SHORT HAIR JUS AS NOT ALL WHITE OR MIXED PEOPLE HAVE LONG HAIR. WOTS LENGHT OF HAIR GOT 2 DO WIT IT. IF PEOPLE KEEP PUTING STRAIGTNERS, PERMS, DYEING, GEL TO THEIR HAIR, WOT DO THEY EXPECT BAD HAIR. AALIYAH RIP, LOOKED AFTA HER HAIR SO IT GREW PROPERLY.
    CAN PEOPLE WHO CLAIM THEY ARE MIXED COS THEY HAVE ANCESTORS WHO R THIS N DAT PLEASE STOP BEGGING THAT THEY R MIXED, N DAT JUST COS PEOPLE R LIGHT DOESNT MEAN THEY R MIXED WIT WHITE, STOP BEGGING IT.

    AT THE END OF THE DAY IF YOU HAVE MORE RACE THAN THE OTHER FROM PEOPLE WHO CAN ACTUALLY DETERMINE UR RACE THESE R UR PARENTS THEN U R DAT RACE.
    THESE PEOPLE R MIXED
    HALF WHITE, HALF ASIAN ( INDIAN, CHINESE, JAPENESES, PAKISTANI, ARABIC ETC.
    HALF BLACK N ASIAN ( INDIAN, MALAYSIAN, PHILLIPINES, ETC.
    HALF WHITE, HALF BLACK, ( BLACK AFRICAN, BLACK JAMAICAN, BLACK WEST INDIANS
    OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE PARETNS OF 2 DIFFERENT RACES BETWEEN THEM, OTHERWISE IT GETS STUPID.
    NAOMI CAMBELL IS BLACK BUT COS HER DAD IS BLACK N WHITE PEOPLE SAY SHE IS MIXED COS SHE HAS 1/4 BLOOD IN HER. ITS STUPID SHE IS BLACK 1/4 IS NOTHIN. PLEASE STOP BEGGING DAT UR MIXED WEN UR NOT.

    Posted 13 May 2006 at 5:58 am ¶

60. jESUS FREAK wrote:

    People we make a big deal, about If someone is mix, I wish I had good hair, but I’m pure African, I wish I had Aalyiah and Ginuwine genes, but I

    have to accept what God gave me!

    Posted 15 May 2006 at 4:02 pm ¶

61. FINALLY wrote:

    Anonymous, has left the BEST post ever, it is COMPLETELY STUPID, to claim “mixed” when the mixture is in the past (ie. great grandparent, one grandparent different race, etc. ANONYMOUS YOU ARE VERY VERY SMART, YOU MUST HAVE HAD VERY GOOD PARENTS. THANK GOODNESS SOMEONE HAS SOME SENSE ON THIS SITE. ALSO THE BLUE EYED BLACK GIRL FROM MAINE SAID SOME TRUE THINGS ALSO.

    Posted 23 May 2006 at 9:14 am ¶

62. FINALLY wrote:

    Also I think the popularity of Halle Berry has been both good and bad for black people, since Halle is a darker mullato, many people are beginning to confuse lighter blacks with actually mixed black/white people, and they do not know where to draw the line. Not to mention people associate PRETTY black women with mixed women, so they say in thier racist minds that since people like Jada, Alliyah, and Beyonce are so pretty that they must be mixed like pretty Halle Berry is. People just do not want to admitt how racist thay really are. I REALLY do not get the Beyonce thing, she is just a black girl, same color as Tyra Banks, Tina Turner, Raven Simone (That’s So Raven Show) etc. Why is there even an arguement about her, BEYONCE IS BLACK, probably people want to discuss her because she is BLACK, pretty and lighter than Halle Berry, who is actually mixed, so that confuses them. And YES THERE ARE MANY BLACK CREOLES.

    Posted 23 May 2006 at 2:33 pm ¶

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