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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.mixedmediawatch.com/2005/07/19/crash-ultimately-by-whites-for-whites/#comment-4872</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>people have made some very insightful comments about CRASH on this blog. what folks have to understand is that Academy members vote with a POLITICAL agenda, not an aesthetic agenda.  They don't vote with standards having to do with the quality of the writing.  They want to play up whatever film makes a POLITICAL statement consistent with their own views.  Can you imagine giving a best screenplay Oscar to Thelma And Louise, some years ago?  Unreal!  There was nothing remarkable about the screenplay.  But it was a political statement about oppressed womanhood that jived with the views of the liberal majority of the Academy.  Same thing with Crash, which is poorly written, if one uses the standards of great theatrical feature films.  BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER that it's poorly written.  Watch this farce on March 5th:  The Best Screenplay Oscar will go to Crash, a movie with more unlikely coincidences and overblown emotions than I can ever remember seeing in a feature film.
Peter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>people have made some very insightful comments about CRASH on this blog. what folks have to understand is that Academy members vote with a POLITICAL agenda, not an aesthetic agenda.  They don&#8217;t vote with standards having to do with the quality of the writing.  They want to play up whatever film makes a POLITICAL statement consistent with their own views.  Can you imagine giving a best screenplay Oscar to Thelma And Louise, some years ago?  Unreal!  There was nothing remarkable about the screenplay.  But it was a political statement about oppressed womanhood that jived with the views of the liberal majority of the Academy.  Same thing with Crash, which is poorly written, if one uses the standards of great theatrical feature films.  BUT IT DOESN&#8217;T MATTER that it&#8217;s poorly written.  Watch this farce on March 5th:  The Best Screenplay Oscar will go to Crash, a movie with more unlikely coincidences and overblown emotions than I can ever remember seeing in a feature film.<br />
Peter</p>
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		<title>By: Chief Lapu-Lapu</title>
		<link>http://www.mixedmediawatch.com/2005/07/19/crash-ultimately-by-whites-for-whites/#comment-2884</link>
		<dc:creator>Chief Lapu-Lapu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"She was the mother of an unstable teenager, incapable of mothering her son while acting like a cheap pretender, thinking life was great and everything was good because she was the only one out of the crowd married to an American."

Lol, that's BS.  66% of US-born Pinays marry colonialist White men.  So, the painful truth is that this character would actually be the NORM, not the EXCEPTION now.

No serious writers ever want to broach the taboo topic of OUR GENERATION'S SELF-HATING ASIAN WOMEN'S RACISM AGAINST ASIAN MEN though - and always attempt to sidestep instead onto traditional White racism or "Asian men's sexism against women."  Why?  Because we are all still stuck in a 60s Civil Rights Era film loop where women and minorities are only seen as VICTIMS of racism/sexism.  Therefore, we overlook any instances NOW (a generation later) whenever minority women MIGHT BE guilty of such acts - because "double minorities" are still seen as untouchable double victims.

And that folks, is the NEW racism/sexism.  Where some remain innocent, even if proven guilty...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;She was the mother of an unstable teenager, incapable of mothering her son while acting like a cheap pretender, thinking life was great and everything was good because she was the only one out of the crowd married to an American.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lol, that&#8217;s BS.  66% of US-born Pinays marry colonialist White men.  So, the painful truth is that this character would actually be the NORM, not the EXCEPTION now.</p>
<p>No serious writers ever want to broach the taboo topic of OUR GENERATION&#8217;S SELF-HATING ASIAN WOMEN&#8217;S RACISM AGAINST ASIAN MEN though - and always attempt to sidestep instead onto traditional White racism or &#8220;Asian men&#8217;s sexism against women.&#8221;  Why?  Because we are all still stuck in a 60s Civil Rights Era film loop where women and minorities are only seen as VICTIMS of racism/sexism.  Therefore, we overlook any instances NOW (a generation later) whenever minority women MIGHT BE guilty of such acts - because &#8220;double minorities&#8221; are still seen as untouchable double victims.</p>
<p>And that folks, is the NEW racism/sexism.  Where some remain innocent, even if proven guilty&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JM</title>
		<link>http://www.mixedmediawatch.com/2005/07/19/crash-ultimately-by-whites-for-whites/#comment-724</link>
		<dc:creator>JM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"But to me, a good movie about race would be one where white viewers walk out angry, confused, and frustrated, because for once, they would get a chance to look at the world from a non-white perspective."

Apart from the rest of Chang and Chan's commentary/article, I completely disagree with this comment. If people of mixed decent are trying to promote tolerance then why call for a movie that would make 'white viewers walk out angry, confused, and frustrated"? That would mean the movie is meant to target them, to make white people feel bad for behavior that NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE GUILTY FOR. Showing a racially motivated film to piss off a section of the audience is hostile and it targets viewers, as I said before. As a biracial person myself, I always thought the most influential message to 'changing the times' was passive activism, like Martin Luther King. Martin Luther King’s approach was not to single out white oppressors by calling them names or making them angry. He used the concept of passive activism to send a message. And he spread that message without insulting people! I mean, didn’t Chang and Chan learn anything?! Isn’t there a reason why some many people respect King?! Come on!

Chang and Chan's call for singling out white viewers is a blatant attack. Their article is more like a commentary, an angry rant, than an article to read, absorb, and take heed from. You can't change people by attacking them. You can't make white stereotypes angry and expect for them to change. In fact, it only makes them bitter. Let me elaborate this concept through my own experience.

I watched The Debut back in 02' and even though the film is a comedy made to poke fun at Filipino stereotypes, it gave Filipina women married to American men a bad reputation. Now after pointing this out, I'm sure you can figure out what my ethnic background is. But back to the matter in question. In the movie they portrayed the American guy as incompetent and narrow-minded freak, claiming that Asian people were not Asian but 'Oriental'. Now that pissed me off because Oriental usually refers to property, such as ‘oriental rugs’, ‘oriental furniture’. Never should the word ‘Oriental’ be used when identifying a person.

But back to my point. They not only gave the American guy a bad rep but his wife as well. She was the mother of an unstable teenager, incapable of mothering her son while acting like a cheap pretender, thinking life was great and everything was good because she was the only one out of the crowd married to an American. 

Bull shit. 

This was a pun on my mom and my dad. It left me angry and bitter, thinking that all Filipinos thought the same way because my mom married an American. Does this mean they think she's cheap because she married a 'puti'? Do they assume my dad is a stupid ass who thinks Asian people are in fact Orientals instead of Asian? That white men married to Asian women deem their spouses as property instead of people? Give me a break! This made me bitter and even now I am insecure when it comes to what others think of me when they find out that my mom is married to an American (let alone I look more white than Filipino). But again, I refuse to go about life being angry and blaming other people for my problems because it gets you nowhere!

So NO! I don't think racial allegories should point fingers! You want a good film about racial allegory then stick to family films like Bend It Like Beckham instead of 'mature' character studies like Crash. Maybe then you'll learn something and stop blaming the world for your prejudices! You yourself can make the difference but not by pointing fingers at others, especially when you generalize. When you generalize, you are no different than the people who do. So, for once, take your experiences and learn from them. 

All right then. That’s it, I’ve said my peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But to me, a good movie about race would be one where white viewers walk out angry, confused, and frustrated, because for once, they would get a chance to look at the world from a non-white perspective.&#8221;</p>
<p>Apart from the rest of Chang and Chan&#8217;s commentary/article, I completely disagree with this comment. If people of mixed decent are trying to promote tolerance then why call for a movie that would make &#8216;white viewers walk out angry, confused, and frustrated&#8221;? That would mean the movie is meant to target them, to make white people feel bad for behavior that NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE GUILTY FOR. Showing a racially motivated film to piss off a section of the audience is hostile and it targets viewers, as I said before. As a biracial person myself, I always thought the most influential message to &#8216;changing the times&#8217; was passive activism, like Martin Luther King. Martin Luther King’s approach was not to single out white oppressors by calling them names or making them angry. He used the concept of passive activism to send a message. And he spread that message without insulting people! I mean, didn’t Chang and Chan learn anything?! Isn’t there a reason why some many people respect King?! Come on!</p>
<p>Chang and Chan&#8217;s call for singling out white viewers is a blatant attack. Their article is more like a commentary, an angry rant, than an article to read, absorb, and take heed from. You can&#8217;t change people by attacking them. You can&#8217;t make white stereotypes angry and expect for them to change. In fact, it only makes them bitter. Let me elaborate this concept through my own experience.</p>
<p>I watched The Debut back in 02&#8242; and even though the film is a comedy made to poke fun at Filipino stereotypes, it gave Filipina women married to American men a bad reputation. Now after pointing this out, I&#8217;m sure you can figure out what my ethnic background is. But back to the matter in question. In the movie they portrayed the American guy as incompetent and narrow-minded freak, claiming that Asian people were not Asian but &#8216;Oriental&#8217;. Now that pissed me off because Oriental usually refers to property, such as ‘oriental rugs’, ‘oriental furniture’. Never should the word ‘Oriental’ be used when identifying a person.</p>
<p>But back to my point. They not only gave the American guy a bad rep but his wife as well. She was the mother of an unstable teenager, incapable of mothering her son while acting like a cheap pretender, thinking life was great and everything was good because she was the only one out of the crowd married to an American. </p>
<p>Bull shit. </p>
<p>This was a pun on my mom and my dad. It left me angry and bitter, thinking that all Filipinos thought the same way because my mom married an American. Does this mean they think she&#8217;s cheap because she married a &#8216;puti&#8217;? Do they assume my dad is a stupid ass who thinks Asian people are in fact Orientals instead of Asian? That white men married to Asian women deem their spouses as property instead of people? Give me a break! This made me bitter and even now I am insecure when it comes to what others think of me when they find out that my mom is married to an American (let alone I look more white than Filipino). But again, I refuse to go about life being angry and blaming other people for my problems because it gets you nowhere!</p>
<p>So NO! I don&#8217;t think racial allegories should point fingers! You want a good film about racial allegory then stick to family films like Bend It Like Beckham instead of &#8216;mature&#8217; character studies like Crash. Maybe then you&#8217;ll learn something and stop blaming the world for your prejudices! You yourself can make the difference but not by pointing fingers at others, especially when you generalize. When you generalize, you are no different than the people who do. So, for once, take your experiences and learn from them. </p>
<p>All right then. That’s it, I’ve said my peace.</p>
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		<title>By: JM</title>
		<link>http://www.mixedmediawatch.com/2005/07/19/crash-ultimately-by-whites-for-whites/#comment-723</link>
		<dc:creator>JM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"But to me, a good movie about race would be one where white viewers walk out angry, confused, and frustrated, because for once, they would get a chance to look at the world from a non-white perspective."

Apart from the rest of Chang and Chan's commentary/article, I completely disagree with this comment. If people of mixed decent are trying to promote tolerance then why call for a movie that would make 'white viewers walk out angry, confused, and frustrated"? That would mean the movie is meant to target them, to make white people feel bad for behavior that NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE GUILTY FOR. Showing a racially motivated film to piss off a section of the audience is hostile and it targets viewers, as I said before. As a biracial person myself, I always thought the most influential message to 'changing the times' was passive activism, like Martin Luther King. Martin Luther King’s approach was not to single out white oppressors by calling them names or making them angry. He used the concept of passive activism to send a message. And he spread that message without insulting people! I mean, didn’t Chang and Chan learn anything?! Isn’t there a reason why some many people respect King?! Come on!

Chang and Chan's call for singling out white viewers is a blatant attack. Their article is more like a commentary, an angry rant, than an article to read, absorb, and take heed from. You can't change people by attacking them. You can't make white stereotypes angry and expect for them to change. In fact, it only makes them bitter. Let me elaborate this concept through my own experience.

I watched The Debut back in 02' and even though the film is a comedy made to poke fun at Filipino stereotypes, it gave Filipina women married to American men a bad reputation. Now after pointing this out, I'm sure you can figure out what my ethnic background is. But back to the matter in question. In the movie they portrayed the American guy as incompetent and narrow-minded freak, claiming that Asian people were not Asian but 'Oriental'. Now that pissed me off because Oriental usually refers to property, such as ‘oriental rugs’, ‘oriental furniture’. Never should the word ‘Oriental’ be used when identifying a person.

But back to my point. They not only gave the American guy a bad rep but his wife as well. She was the mother of an unstable teenager, incapable of mothering her son while acting like a cheap pretender, thinking life was great and everything was good because she was the only one out of the crowd married to an American. 

Bull shit. 

This was a pun on my mom and my dad. It left me angry and bitter, thinking that all Filipinos thought the same way because my mom married an American. Does this mean they think she's cheap because she married a 'puti'? Do they assume my dad is a stupid ass who thinks Asian people are in fact Orientals instead of Asian? That white men married to Asian women deem their spouses as property instead of people? Give me a break! This made me bitter and even now I am insecure when it comes to what others think of me when they find out that my mom is married to an American (let alone I look more white than Filipino). But again, I refuse to go about life being angry and blaming other people for my problems because it gets you nowhere!

So NO! I don't think racial allegories should point fingers! You want a good film about racial allegory then stick to family films like Bend It Like Beckham instead of 'mature' character studies like Crash. Maybe then you'll learn something and stop blaming the world for your prejudices! You yourself can make the difference but not by pointing fingers at others, especially when you generalize. When you generalize, you are no different than the people who do. So, for once, take your experiences and learn from them. 

All right then. That’s it, I’ve said my peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But to me, a good movie about race would be one where white viewers walk out angry, confused, and frustrated, because for once, they would get a chance to look at the world from a non-white perspective.&#8221;</p>
<p>Apart from the rest of Chang and Chan&#8217;s commentary/article, I completely disagree with this comment. If people of mixed decent are trying to promote tolerance then why call for a movie that would make &#8216;white viewers walk out angry, confused, and frustrated&#8221;? That would mean the movie is meant to target them, to make white people feel bad for behavior that NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE GUILTY FOR. Showing a racially motivated film to piss off a section of the audience is hostile and it targets viewers, as I said before. As a biracial person myself, I always thought the most influential message to &#8216;changing the times&#8217; was passive activism, like Martin Luther King. Martin Luther King’s approach was not to single out white oppressors by calling them names or making them angry. He used the concept of passive activism to send a message. And he spread that message without insulting people! I mean, didn’t Chang and Chan learn anything?! Isn’t there a reason why some many people respect King?! Come on!</p>
<p>Chang and Chan&#8217;s call for singling out white viewers is a blatant attack. Their article is more like a commentary, an angry rant, than an article to read, absorb, and take heed from. You can&#8217;t change people by attacking them. You can&#8217;t make white stereotypes angry and expect for them to change. In fact, it only makes them bitter. Let me elaborate this concept through my own experience.</p>
<p>I watched The Debut back in 02&#8242; and even though the film is a comedy made to poke fun at Filipino stereotypes, it gave Filipina women married to American men a bad reputation. Now after pointing this out, I&#8217;m sure you can figure out what my ethnic background is. But back to the matter in question. In the movie they portrayed the American guy as incompetent and narrow-minded freak, claiming that Asian people were not Asian but &#8216;Oriental&#8217;. Now that pissed me off because Oriental usually refers to property, such as ‘oriental rugs’, ‘oriental furniture’. Never should the word ‘Oriental’ be used when identifying a person.</p>
<p>But back to my point. They not only gave the American guy a bad rep but his wife as well. She was the mother of an unstable teenager, incapable of mothering her son while acting like a cheap pretender, thinking life was great and everything was good because she was the only one out of the crowd married to an American. </p>
<p>Bull shit. </p>
<p>This was a pun on my mom and my dad. It left me angry and bitter, thinking that all Filipinos thought the same way because my mom married an American. Does this mean they think she&#8217;s cheap because she married a &#8216;puti&#8217;? Do they assume my dad is a stupid ass who thinks Asian people are in fact Orientals instead of Asian? That white men married to Asian women deem their spouses as property instead of people? Give me a break! This made me bitter and even now I am insecure when it comes to what others think of me when they find out that my mom is married to an American (let alone I look more white than Filipino). But again, I refuse to go about life being angry and blaming other people for my problems because it gets you nowhere!</p>
<p>So NO! I don&#8217;t think racial allegories should point fingers! You want a good film about racial allegory then stick to family films like Bend It Like Beckham instead of &#8216;mature&#8217; character studies like Crash. Maybe then you&#8217;ll learn something and stop blaming the world for your prejudices! You yourself can make the difference but not by pointing fingers at others, especially when you generalize. When you generalize, you are no different than the people who do. So, for once, take your experiences and learn from them. </p>
<p>All right then. That’s it, I’ve said my peace.</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://www.mixedmediawatch.com/2005/07/19/crash-ultimately-by-whites-for-whites/#comment-702</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 06:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>an even better review is at the new york press

http://www.nypress.com/18/20/film/ArmondWhite2.cfm

one thing that should be added is that haggis' viewpoint is informed by his canadian identity, a la norman jewison. they both sincerely think they are doing a *good* thing by treating americans as little more than racial caricatures and 'exposing' racism yet they don't have any interest in exposing the racism that also affects canada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>an even better review is at the new york press</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nypress.com/18/20/film/ArmondWhite2.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nypress.com/18/20/film/ArmondWhite2.cfm</a></p>
<p>one thing that should be added is that haggis&#8217; viewpoint is informed by his canadian identity, a la norman jewison. they both sincerely think they are doing a *good* thing by treating americans as little more than racial caricatures and &#8216;exposing&#8217; racism yet they don&#8217;t have any interest in exposing the racism that also affects canada.</p>
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